Bernie's In

Sandernista is a term like Clintonista, and it is used. The connotation is in the eye of the beholder.

I haven't read every post, but I don't think anyone here has used Sanderista to describe a Sanders supporter. As for connotation, I don't think I have ever seen Clintonista used in what I would consider anything but a negative way. That said, I've been called a lot worse on the Internet than Clintonista or Bernie-bot. If this is all we have left to argue about, I guess we should give up on issues.

The Sandinstas were the good guys. That why the Clash named their album after them.

Bernie's campaign has been trying to reign in their most vociferous fans. E.g. Sanders’ chief online communicator Mike Casca, has tweeted this:
“if you support @berniesanders, please follow the senator’s lead and be respectful when people disagree with you”
https://twitter.com/cascamike/status/691844891652001792?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

I think this kind of things can make a difference. I don't know if the Clinton campaign has issued similar messages.

He tweeted that back in January. It doesn't seem to have worked.

Maybe not, although nobody can tell what would have happened if he didn't have twitted that... I still think that political leaders need to set the tone and tell their online followers that some behaviors project an ugly image of the candidate and his campaign, and/or are counter-productive. It's their loss if they don't do it.

Ok, now can we get to Bernie? His chances of winning are really almost zero. As usual, Nate Silvers has it down to numbers of what it would take now for Bernie to pull off a miracle.



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So assuming Sanders comes up short, what will Sanders supporters do when he concedes? Suppose Hillary makes an all out effort to be inclusive and gracious in her victory, will it make a difference in those who have said they will never vote for Hillary? I can understand if you live in a state where it will conceivably make little or no difference, but even those who live in states where it will make a difference might feel the never Hillary thing as well. In which case, they would only be giving the Presidency over to a candidate who has the complete opposing view of Sanders. What can Hillary do to reach them? She can't go back in time and erase her speeches where she made so much money, she can't give the donations back, she either will need it or has already spent it. She can't promise free colleges as it would be virtually impossible to keep. I doubt she will go against her core positions which differ her from Sanders, nor should she, after all, she will have won with those positions. The way I see it, Sander supporters will have to either stick to their guns and give over to republicans or accept those differences and end up with a democrat who will at least work towards a lot of Sander's goals.

did you read the comments following his tweet? a group of Mr Sanders supporters was really unhappy with his rep's suggestion.

there's definitely an upside and a downside to having passionate supporters

So, I've been confused about somethings. I've been on A2K a long time (but often sporadically) and I've heard people reference Lash's liberal credentials and claim that she's switched sides. I honestly couldn't remember, so I did some googling today back to some posts in 2004. Found some interesting stuff; maybe some should take a gander.

I just reviewed one thread (the Bush Supporters can Gloat Here Thread) and only made it to about page 150 (out of 350+). Lots of insight here though.


Here are direct links to posts from our REPUBLICAN friend Lash:

Being happy that George Bush was elected and speaking out for Social Security and Tort reform (from Republicans)
http://able2know.org/topic/37997-4#post-997021


GLOATING that Tom Daschle (democratic Senate majority leader in 2004) lost his reelection bid and calling for more tort reform.
http://able2know.org/topic/37997-12#post-999506


Hoping for Supreme Court judges to die so that Bush could nominate 2-3 more conservative judges to the Supreme Court.
http://able2know.org/topic/37997-12#post-999613


Showing her disdain for socialism and telling someone to move because Americans don't want socialism in our country
http://able2know.org/topic/37997-14#post-1000176


Stating that the old way to healthcare was just fine (pre Obamacare, no universal healthcare), also stating that welfare-to-work is the way to go. Railing against the poor somewhat.
http://able2know.org/topic/37997-23#post-1025134


Declaring her self to not be a liberal and complaining about people having the nerve to say 'told you so' about anything
http://able2know.org/topic/37997-60#post-1152524


Declaring how democrats are and how they started the Vietnam war
http://able2know.org/topic/37997-61#post-1152554


Here I think she's talking about her support for the Iraq war that Bush started
http://able2know.org/topic/37997-62#post-1153142


This one is one of my favorites, she's talking against political idealism. Ironic, no?
http://able2know.org/topic/37997-70#post-1164590


Proclaming how happy she was with Bush after the election
http://able2know.org/topic/37997-74#post-1181519


Self-identifying as a Neo-con, and also wondering why people are making up new political names for conservatives like her
http://able2know.org/topic/37997-82#post-1223295


Her calling "liberals" a four letter word and declaring that they have no substance
http://able2know.org/topic/37997-84#post-1225414


Her wondering if all liberals hate America
http://able2know.org/topic/37997-87#post-1237136


Defending Bush's intelligence
http://able2know.org/topic/37997-118#post-1424046


Lots of defending of Bush's immigration policies
http://able2know.org/topic/37997-120#post-1425935


Declaring her support of the nuclear option against the democrats in congress on Supreme Court nominations
http://able2know.org/topic/37997-123#post-1430244


Her STRONGLY supporting the intelligence that led us to invade Iraq
http://able2know.org/topic/37997-126#post-1442800


Lash CELEBRATING the decline of Unions in the USA
http://able2know.org/topic/37997-128#post-1446611


Talking about how it's smarmy to go into someone's past and ruin a career with past crap (when defending racists like Strom Thurmond and Lott)
http://able2know.org/topic/37997-137#post-1484048


Claiming herself to actually being a REPUBLICAN!
http://able2know.org/topic/37997-144#post-1524750














There's a bunch more in there about things like how liberals/atheists/urbanites don't share any values like the good people in rural areas. TONS of Clinton bashing.

Really good read overall.

Recent news items indicate that Sanders was too much of a bum to even make it as a hippie:

http://freebeacon.com/politics/bernie-sanders-asked-leave-hippie-commune/

I agree it's worth trying (and not just for their online supporters).

I miss this Lash

http://able2know.org/topic/33722-1#post-904657

(she was Lash Goth after a run as Sofia (which cavfancier mentioned in that thread))

You did a lot of research. Amazing how anyone can take her seriously.

Not denying any of those previous posts, but I do believe (and have seen first hand) that people can be reached by transformational figures. I saw one rabid right winger convert completely over during the 2008 election cycle. Possibly Sanders was that figure here. It might all be an act, but it really doesn't matter. Whatever opinion Lash posts should stand alone. If we can't refute them, it really doesn't matter what she said in the past.

Yes, I did and found it sad. Not sure passion is the problem. One can be passionate and civil. The Internet draws the worse out of some people. Group-thinking, us-vs-them-posturing and ganging-up dynamics are another factor. And then, american (and european) politics are becoming more factious and aggressive in part because of the deterioration of trust in the democratic system. Modern democracies are increasingly rigged and/or stalled by private interests and special concerns. Hence the growing hatred for the "establishment".

Wow! Thanks, maporsche! You've told me all I need to know. I had a measure of sympathy for lash, but no longer. So, we have a wolf in sheep's clothing. She no longer has any credibility.

Well, lash, how about it? Why the great change? Isn't it interesting that Karl Rove has channeled financial contributions to your candidate? (No, I don't have a dog in this fight. I won't be voting this fall.)

Let me see now. . . . Not too long ago, you objected to my calling Clarence Thomas an Uncle Tom. I didn't know you were a big fan of the opportunistic segregationist Strom Thurmond. Did you also admire Jesse Helms? Was he racist enough for you? What a truly contemptible hypocrite you are! Disgusting!

Frankly, I don't care if I'm banned. In fact, I'd welcome it.

the full-throttle Clinton bashing has certainly been consistent in the decade + we've known Lash here

I didn't enjoy reading those posts first-time round, not going there again. Too sad already.

interesting. we're not really experiencing that here (or at least not to the degree we see in the US). gotta wonder why.

people sometimes say they can't tell Americans and Canadians apart. they should look at our political worlds/experiences. couldn't be much more different.

Weird