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Bush supporters' aftermath thread

 
 
kickycan
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 10:05 am
You're all wrong. So there. Smile
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kickycan
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 10:11 am
Seriously though, I think our difference here is probably in how we define religious nut. Many of my family are very religious, to the point that they voted for Bush first and foremost because they believe that since he was a devout Christian, he could not possibly be making the wrong decisions. I would define that as religious nuttiness, but I'm sure that if you ask them, they'd disagree.
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jpinMilwaukee
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 10:20 am
I think this "religious nut" argument is just plain dumb.

I could just as easily say "If the Democrats didn't have the minority vote, Bush would have won by a landslide."

The truth of the matter is that the Democrats have for to long relied on the minority vote and forgotten about the rest of the country. They have nothing to offer me. They are out of touch with the rest of the country and until they realize that they will continue to lose.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 10:26 am
I would probably be called a religious nut by many because I can't see myself voting for an athiest or agnostic for President. Is that because I think athiests or agnostics are bad people. Not at all. I have deep affection and admiration for many including some here on A2K. I would not require a person to be Christian necessarily, but as a Christian, I know there is a higher power that provides strength, comfort, and direction and I would see that as a plus for any President.

I would not put much trust in any president who professed a lot of burning bush or laying the fleece experiences etc. as his credentials. Bush has not done that. But most people who are religious, and many who are not, respect that he is not ashamed of his faith. As McG pointed out in that thread some months ago, those who attacked him for his religious beliefs did so at their peril. And I think the exit polls will probably show Bush got even more of the minority vote than usual purely because of the moral values issues.

Moral values can be debated and there can be differences of opinion. But it isn't wise to say they are dumb or those who hae them are nut cases.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 10:30 am
I think the "It was the religious nuts" meme nicely illustrates the general failure of The Democrats to accept and address the fact it is they who are distancing themselves from the mainstream. I feel safe, too, pointing this out, as I have no reason to expect The Democrats will accept the premis and look inward to find and address the myriad causes for their continuing, accellerating failure to engage a majority within The Electorate.
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Armyvet35
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 10:58 am
Oh I forgot to add as well that Bush's "family values" and the way he carries himself regarding his wife and kids is impressive after 8 years of clinton antics. I may not believe in christians beliefs, but I do believe in family and their importance to me.
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gav
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 04:43 pm
I'm not American, but all these people who voted for Bush, have been quick to give reasons why they didnt vote for Kerry.

I've a question: what did Bush do for you in the last 4 years, and more over what do you think he'll do for you in the next 4? I've lived here for over a year now and coincidentally enough I lived here for a while at the end of the Clinton era, and I have to say this country has gone downhill quite a bit. Young couples can scarcely afford a house of theyre own, affordable medical care hardly exists, unemployment is at an almost all time high. And people here just seem to be caught up in gay marriage!!. Trust me if you couldnt afford the computer you're sitting infront of now or the chair you were sitting on I doubt very much if you would even give a s**t if gays could marry or not!!!.

Any way original question: what has he done for you?
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 04:59 pm
Lowered my taxes. Increased my child tax credit. Didn't reinstate the AWB (never got the bill to sign). Made and continues to make people who are dependent upon government handouts really, really nervous. Finally went and got Saddam after 12 years of bullshit. Chased the Taliban pretty much out of Afghanistan (to the absolute delight of all the Afghanis I know). Returned morality to the oval office - no more dress stains. Encouraged all americans to give up their vices and exercise more. I can keep going....
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 05:01 pm
An oh yeah, absolutely pissed off the French, who deserved it. I'm loving watching Haliburton rip French-made infrastructure out of Iraq that they sold there illegally when sanctions were in place. LMFAO.
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music2myear
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 05:01 pm
Ahhh, this is so refreshing after the Spoofee.com political forum. Everybody over there is a Kerryite. And they're really mad. It was getting a little lonely over there so I decided to come over here,

So here's the release: YAYAYYAYAYAYAYAAAAAYAYAYAYAY!!!

Ok I feel better. Bush has definately been handed a mandate this time around, with moral issues leading the way all around the country:
-11 marriage-protection initiatives passing (out of 11 possible).
-Numerous of his new sympathetic majority in both houses having run on strong moral issue platforms (even Keyes who didn't win really forced Obama's hand in the moral issue realm and garnered a totally unexpected 21% of the vote).
-Oregon (possibly the most wacko liberal (I really like the geography in Oregon and most of the people too, but it's true, lots of them are wackos) state) turned DOWN a medical marijiuana bill. Alaska turned down a legalized marjiuana bill as well (while Montana passed their medical M bill).

Lots of great stuff happening, and like many of you have said, the resposibility is ours now as the people have said YES to our ideals and goals.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 05:04 pm
gav wrote:
I'm not American, but all these people who voted for Bush, have been quick to give reasons why they didnt vote for Kerry.

I've a question: what did Bush do for you in the last 4 years, and more over what do you think he'll do for you in the next 4? I've lived here for over a year now and coincidentally enough I lived here for a while at the end of the Clinton era, and I have to say this country has gone downhill quite a bit. Young couples can scarcely afford a house of theyre own, affordable medical care hardly exists, unemployment is at an almost all time high. And people here just seem to be caught up in gay marriage!!. Trust me if you couldnt afford the computer you're sitting infront of now or the chair you were sitting on I doubt very much if you would even give a s**t if gays could marry or not!!!.

Any way original question: what has he done for you?


He made my heart swell with pride when I realized that the America I knew under Reagan and Bush 41 was back. With the Bush Doctrine came the announcement that we were through being pushed around, resigned to taking it on the chin, and grin an bear it. The do-nothing ineffectual practices of dealing with terrorist attacks from the Clinton administration were out the window. We were going to fight back. And the terrorists that attacked us were going to find out just what kind of a fight we could put up. Now, we are fighting the fight in Iraq and Afghanistan, and not on our shores.

Bush is a President that is not afraid to make the tough decisions that need to be made in order to keep this country safe. He has shown leadership in leading us through the tragedies of 9/11. The economic problems came as a result of 9/11, not as a result of Bush's leadership.

I could go on, but I must go.
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cannistershot
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 05:06 pm
Welcome music. We have a lot of Kerryites here too but they are harmless for the most part.
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music2myear
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 05:06 pm
Oh, and gav. Unemployment is at 5.2% which is lower than it is in nearly every European nation as well as being below our average unemployment level of 5.7% (correct my number if I'm wrong, please). In fact one article I read in the Investors Business Daily says that it is lower than it was during Clintons term.

Bush started with the makings of a serious recession on his hands. 8 months later he had an incredibly devastating blow to our financial and economic structures, but he (with the help of congress and all of us) turned it around and we now are quite clearly on the upward road.

Don't believe everything you hear the media say, they've given up on objectivity when it comes to Bush and his record.
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cannistershot
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 05:08 pm
music2myear wrote:
Oh, and gav. Unemployment is at 5.2% which is lower than it is in nearly every European nation as well as being below our average unemployment level of 5.7% (correct my number if I'm wrong, please). In fact one article I read in the Investors Business Daily says that it is lower than it was during Clintons term.

Bush started with the makings of a serious recession on his hands. 8 months later he had an incredibly devastating blow to our financial and economic structures, but he (with the help of congress and all of us) turned it around and we now are quite clearly on the upward road.

Don't believe everything you hear the media say, they've given up on objectivity when it comes to Bush and his record.


I like you already!
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music2myear
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 05:10 pm
cannistershot wrote:
I like you already!


Well, then start chipping in your two bits worth and I'll get a chance to like you...

Works over, gotta run.

God bless Bush, he needs all the blessing he can get.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 06:35 pm
gav, if you're gonna do facts around here, you'll prolly wanna research 'em a little better than it would from your post appear you have to this point ... or pergaps you should research 'em from more credible sources. The only point of yours that remoyely comes close to holdin' water is that healthcare costs are escalating. In that regard, it should be noted that roughly 2/3 of every healthcare dollar spent in the US goes to something other than hands-on healthcare or medication. A huge portion of that overhead is made up of legislatively mandated administrational overhead and the payment of insurance premiums which increase exponentially due to outrageous litigation of the sort once practiced by Mr. Edwards. US home ownership is at an all-time high, with nearly 70% of all Americans being homeowners. Nowhere on the planet is home ownership any higher. US unemployment is lower than that of any Old European nation, and both US Employment Growth and US GDP growth are multiples of those parameters in Old Europe, while the US Budget Deficit is a smaller percentage of US GDP, and is expanding less rapidly, than is typical of that measurement throughout Old Europe. More Americans are employed today than at any time in history, earning a higher average and higher median wage, for a shorter average and shorter median workweek, than at any time in history. More Americans, whether measured by percentage or absolute number, are participating in post-secondary education than ever before in history. The overall tax burden of the US citizen is lower than that of any European citizen.

Things always can be better, of course. On the other hand, things here have been, in fact on average over the past century-and-a-half for which reliable records exist have been, worse ... sometimes very much worse, while only infrequently and for short duration have they been noticeably better.

You may not like it, the Democrats certainly don't seem to like it, but The US is about equal opportunity, individual initiative, and personal achievement, not equal results regardless of qualification or performance, special rules for any one or any class, and government handouts. There are resources available for the care of those unable through no fault of their own to care for themselves, but no one deserves a free ride. It should be noted too, in that regard, that the poor of America have a higher median income, higher standard of living, greater security, and better healthcare than do the poor of damned near every nation on the planet. In fact, in terms of US dollars, the median European income for a family of 4 is roughly the same as the demarcation point below which an American income for a family of 4 is considered to be at poverty level.

Here, its truly up to you to make of it what you will. If you want your boots pulled up, pull your own bootstraps ... it ain't the function of The Government to do it for ya.

Oh, and nobody says you have to stay here if you don't like it here, though you're perfectly welcome to stay if you obey the laws and otherwise meet the minimum requirements, whether you like it here or not.


Its your choice.
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cannistershot
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 06:57 pm
^^^^^bravo^^^^^^^^^^
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Lash
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 07:08 pm
Enjoyed the election. Was quite a nail-biter.

Interested to see how the Senate, House behave. We'll be pushing a lot of stuff through. I'm hopeful they will spend their political capital wisely.

Glad Social Security is on the front burner-- Betting tort refrom is not far off.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 07:57 pm
While it has never been a secret that I think the election was won by the wrong guy, I am not a sour loser either. So I thought I'd come over and congratulate you. Republicans, enjoy the champaign!

(I'm not sure if Republicans would drink such a French product, but do enjoy whatever it is you're drinking. Smile )
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 08:33 pm
Thank you, Thomas. Your felicitations are much appreciated.

Sorta unfair the nature of democratic elections in one sense; somebody's always gonna be disappointed, no matter how the election turns out.


Oh, and I favor a local-brewed beer and good Irish Whiskey. No frou-frou drinks for me, thanks.


I'll admit I sure miss Rémy Martin XO Special, though. Sad Sad Sad
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