Was Jesus born with Original Sin?

@Frank Apisa,

They also took the 10 Commandments from the Egyptians.

The flood from Gilgamesh, it's almost as if Yahwe has all the imagination and creativity of a second hand car dealer, more Del Boy than divine.

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@Frank Apisa,

Have you read my post? God requires NO JUSTIFICATION or explanation. When he provides one it is called Divine Revelation and it is NOT a guess, or a blind guess, or any other blasphemy you label it.

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@hester831,

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Have you read my post? God requires NO JUSTIFICATION or explanation. When he provides one it is called Divine Revelation and it is NOT a guess, or a blind guess, or any other blasphemy you label it.

I have read your posts...and for the most part you post gibberish.

You say your god requires no justification or explanation.

That is another of your blind guesses.

If you want to worship an entity like the one described in the Bible...do so. That is your right. But if you do, you are nuts...and so is the entity.

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@Frank Apisa,

I read a sentence of one, it told me everything I needed to know.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

hester831 wrote:

Have you read my post? God requires NO JUSTIFICATION or explanation. When he provides one it is called Divine Revelation and it is NOT a guess, or a blind guess, or any other blasphemy you label it.

I have read your posts...and for the most part you post gibberish.

You say your god requires no justification or explanation.

That is another of your blind guesses.

If you want to worship an entity like the one described in the Bible...do so. That is your right. But if you do, you are nuts...and so is the entity.

Come on Frank.
Hester is quite knowledgeable. He does not speak gibberish.

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@NealNealNeal,

NealNealNeal wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

hester831 wrote:

Have you read my post? God requires NO JUSTIFICATION or explanation. When he provides one it is called Divine Revelation and it is NOT a guess, or a blind guess, or any other blasphemy you label it.

I have read your posts...and for the most part you post gibberish.

You say your god requires no justification or explanation.

That is another of your blind guesses.

If you want to worship an entity like the one described in the Bible...do so. That is your right. But if you do, you are nuts...and so is the entity.

Come on Frank.
Hester is quite knowledgeable. He does not speak gibberish.

I respectfully disagree with you, Neal. Hester (he or she) is perfectly capable of speaking gibberish...and did so in the post that I quoted.

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@Frank Apisa,

In fairness you don't speak in tongues.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

In fairness you don't speak in tongues.

Abagahan kanyhu Jesus danghamo otnanalmon. Jesus momgana shapaha ovempant, Jesus.

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@NealNealNeal,

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Ok Frank. I understand your point. Obviously people have different opinions of what the Bible says.

Frank doesn't have different opinions of what the Bible says. He hasn't a clue what the bible says. Nowhere it it to be found in the scriptures that Mary was sinless. But Frank is correct in saying the Roman church teaches contrary to the scriptures, that Mary was sinless.

All have sinned.

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@Frank Apisa,

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The god decided to kill every "first born." That would have included babies, toddlers, and some grown-ups who were first born.

Only after the king had ordered that all males who were born to the Israelites were to be exposed in the river Nile, (Crocodile food). A God of justice I'd say.

As they sow, so shall they receive.

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@Frank Apisa,

Well that clears that up.

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@The Anointed,

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The god decided to kill every "first born." That would have included babies, toddlers, and some grown-ups who were first born.

Only after the king had ordered that all males who were born to the Israelites were to be exposed in the river Nile, (Crocodile food). A God of justice I'd say.

As they sow, so shall they receive.

So your god's mother should be saying to him, "If Pharaoh jumped off a cliff, you would jump off the cliff, too?" (Said, of course, with a Jewish mother's accent.)

QUICK STORY: Every morning a man on his way to work stops at a news stand for a paper...and every morning, the guy at the news stand is rude to him...never shows any respect. And every morning, the guy pays for his paper and says to the owner, "Thank you very much. Have a nice day."

One of the other customers notes this...and one day asks, "That guy is so rude to you...so discourteous...so nasty. Why do you treat him with courtesy every day?"

The guy answers, "I will not allow someone else to dictate how I act towards other people."

Your god should have done the same. The fact that it didn't should give you a clue as to why you are an idiot to worship it.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

Well that clears that up.

I thought it would! Wink

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@Frank Apisa,

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So your god's mother should be saying to him, "If Pharaoh jumped off a cliff, you would jump off the cliff, too?"

My God has no mother and no Father, He simply always was, He is, and He will be into the everlasting, He has neither beginning or end. But what would a reed the bends with the wind, in whatever direction it blows from, know about that.

He is a God of Justice, whatever you sow, that is what you will reap, Pharaoh received his just reward.

He has set before all people the choice of life or death, and has revealed the rewards that await each. It is up to each individual to choose for themselves

And no one dictates to my God how he should act toward the righteous, who have chosen everlasting life, or how he should act toward the unrepentant wicked, who have chosen for themselves, everlasting death.

And as to the topic of this thread; Yes, Jesus the son of Mary and her half-brother Joseph, who were both sired by Alexander Helios also called Heli, by different mothers, was born with original sin.

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@The Anointed,

The Anointed wrote:

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So your god's mother should be saying to him, "If Pharaoh jumped off a cliff, you would jump off the cliff, too?"

My God has no mother and no Father, He simply always was, He is, and He will be into the everlasting, He has neither beginning or end. But what would a reed the bends with the wind, in whatever direction it blows from, know about that.

You said that your god killed all those babies because Pharaoh killed some babies first. So my question still stands. I note that you dodged it, as you
dodge so many questions.

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He is a God of Justice, whatever you sow, that is what you will reap, Pharaoh received his just reward.

He is a god constructed by people who needed a vicious, murderous, barbaric, vengeful, wrathful, quick-to-anger/slow-to-forgive to protect them from the vicious, murderous, barbaric, vengeful, wrathful, quick-to-anger/slow-to-forgive gods of their enemies.

If your god were a human, he would be named Hannibal Lecter.

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He has set before all people the choice of life or death, and has revealed the rewards that await each. It is up to each individual to choose for themselves

And no one dictates to my God how he should act toward the righteous, who have chosen everlasting life, or how he should act toward the unrepentant wicked, who have chosen for themselves, everlasting death.

Yup, that is what the myth claims. Interesting that someone like you would blindly guess it to be correct.

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And as to the topic of this thread; Yes, Jesus the son of Mary and her half-brother Joseph, who were both sired by Alexander Helios also called Heli, by different mothers, was born with original sin.

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@Frank Apisa,

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You said that your god killed all those babies because Pharaoh killed some babies first. So my question still stands. I note that you dodged it, as you dodge so many questions.

Only a blind fool would believe that your question was not answered, “As Pharaoh sowed. So Pharaoh received, Pharaoh received his just reward for his actions. But I do realise your inability to comprehend what you read.

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He is a god constructed by people who needed a vicious, murderous, barbaric, vengeful, wrathful, quick-to-anger/slow-to-forgive.

Are you accusing my God of being a vicious, murderous, barbaric, vengeful, wrathful, quick-to-anger/slow-to-forgive God? Yes or No?

But he does protect His children from the vicious, murderous, barbaric, vengeful, wrathful, quick-to-anger/slow-to-forgive gods of his children’s enemies.

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If your god were a human, he would be named Hannibal Lecter.

But he isn’t a human Frankie, and no mere human can judge Him.

But let me remind you, although I shouldn't say "Remind You" because it is doubtful if a biblical ignoramus would have even read what Enoch the prophet said, unless they had read the epistle of Jude, a brethren of Jesus, who wrote verbatim the words of Enoch, who said in "Jude 1: 14; "Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying; “Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousand of his saints, To execute judgement on all, and convince all that are ungodly among them all of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard [speeches] which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.”

Ohhh, I hope you were not accusing the Lord of being a vicious, murderous, barbaric, vengeful, wrathful, quick-to-anger/slow-to-forgive God? But I dare say that you have made your choice.

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@The Anointed,

The Anointed wrote:

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You said that your god killed all those babies because Pharaoh killed some babies first. So my question still stands. I note that you dodged it, as you dodge so many questions.

Only a blind fool would believe that your question was not answered, “As Pharaoh sowed. So Pharaoh received, Pharaoh received his just reward for his actions. But I do realise your inability to comprehend what you read.

But then you questioned my comment about, "If Pharaoh jumped off a cliff, would you jump off too?"

Because Pharaoh was a scumbag...is not a good reason for your god to be a scumbag also.

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He is a god constructed by people who needed a vicious, murderous, barbaric, vengeful, wrathful, quick-to-anger/slow-to-forgive.

Are you accusing my God of being a vicious, murderous, barbaric, vengeful, wrathful, quick-to-anger/slow-to-forgive God? Yes or No?

YES!

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But he does protect His children from the vicious, murderous, barbaric, vengeful, wrathful, quick-to-anger/slow-to-forgive gods of his children’s enemies.

Oh, he does? He allows many of them to die torturous deaths...to be diseased...to starve.

Your god is not an especially likeable god. You really should stop pretending to love it.

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If your god were a human, he would be named Hannibal Lecter.

But he isn’t a human Frankie, and no mere human can judge Him.

Neither was Hannibal Lecter. That was the point. Think about it.

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But let me remind you, although I shouldn't say "Remind You" because it is doubtful if a biblical ignoramus would have even read what Enoch the prophet said, unless they had read the epistle of Jude, a brethren of Jesus, who wrote verbatim the words of Enoch, who said in "Jude 1: 14; "Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying; “Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousand of his saints, To execute judgement on all, and convince all that are ungodly among them all of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard [speeches] which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.”

Ohhh, I hope you were not accusing the Lord of being a vicious, murderous, barbaric, vengeful, wrathful, quick-to-anger/slow-to-forgive God? But I dare say that you have made your choice.

Yeah...you "dare" say that.

You are scared shitless of that god of yours. So I understand your position. People felt that way about Saddam Hussein, Hitler, Stalin, Idi Amin, Napoleon, and so many other people like them.

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@Frank Apisa,

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Because Pharaoh was a scumbag...is not a good reason for your god to be a scumbag also.

Nah mate, my God is no scumbag like the Pharoah of Egypt, My God is a righteous Judge who repays each person according to their actions, as you are about to discover, now that you have confessed that you are accusing my God of being a vicious, murderous, barbaric, vengeful, wrathful, quick-to-anger/slow-to-forgive God?

Which is another load of your bull’s wallop, because you don’t believe that any god exists, or does not exist, in other words you know nothing.

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He allows many of them to die torturous deaths...to be diseased...to starve. Your god is not an especially likeable god. You really should stop pretending to love it.

Oh, I love my saviour all right old mate, no pretences here, how could you not love a God who protects those who love him, which excludes those who accuse him of being a vicious, murderous, barbaric, vengeful, wrathful, quick-to-anger/slow-to-forgive God?

His saving power is seen in his words as recorded by his prophets, one of the many prophecies which can be seen in Isaiah 63: 1-6; “Who is this coming from the city of Bozrah in Edom? Who is this so splendidly dressed in red, marching along in power and strength?”

“It is the LORD, powerful to save, coming to announce his victory.” “Why is his clothing so red, like that of someone who tramples grapes to make wine?”

The LORD answers, “I have trampled the nations like grapes, and no one came to help me. I trampled them in my anger, and their blood has stained all my clothing. "I decided that the time to save my people had come"; it was time to punish their enemies. I was amazed when I looked and saw that there was no one to help me. But my anger made me strong, and I won the victory myself. In my anger I trampled whole nations and shattered them. I poured out their lifeblood on the ground.”

And my God is real, as you are about to discover, and not like the fictional character Hannibal Lecter.

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Yeah...you "dare" say that.

I certainly dare to say that you, who have confessed that you accuse my God of being a vicious, murderous, barbaric, vengeful, wrathful, quick-to-anger/slow-to-forgive God? Have certainly made the choice that my God has given you to make between everlasting life and everlasting death.

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You are scared shitless of that god of yours. So I understand your position. People felt that way about Saddam Hussein, Hitler, Stalin, Idi Amin, Napoleon, and so many other people like them.

Nah mate, not me, but you certainly will be.

Good night old mate, you have made your bed, and now comes the time that you must lay in it.

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@The Anointed,

The Anointed wrote:

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Because Pharaoh was a scumbag...is not a good reason for your god to be a scumbag also.

Nah mate, my God is no scumbag like the Pharoah of Egypt, My God is a righteous Judge who repays each person according to their actions, as you are about to discover, now that you have confessed that you are accusing my God of being a vicious, murderous, barbaric, vengeful, wrathful, quick-to-anger/slow-to-forgive God?

Which is another load of your bull’s wallop, because you don’t believe that any god exists, or does not exist, in other words you know nothing.

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He allows many of them to die torturous deaths...to be diseased...to starve. Your god is not an especially likeable god. You really should stop pretending to love it.

Oh, I love my saviour all right old mate, no pretences here, how could you not love a God who protects those who love him, which excludes those who accuse him of being a vicious, murderous, barbaric, vengeful, wrathful, quick-to-anger/slow-to-forgive God?

His saving power is seen in his words as recorded by his prophets, one of the many prophecies which can be seen in Isaiah 63: 1-6; “Who is this coming from the city of Bozrah in Edom? Who is this so splendidly dressed in red, marching along in power and strength?”

“It is the LORD, powerful to save, coming to announce his victory.” “Why is his clothing so red, like that of someone who tramples grapes to make wine?”

The LORD answers, “I have trampled the nations like grapes, and no one came to help me. I trampled them in my anger, and their blood has stained all my clothing. "I decided that the time to save my people had come"; it was time to punish their enemies. I was amazed when I looked and saw that there was no one to help me. But my anger made me strong, and I won the victory myself. In my anger I trampled whole nations and shattered them. I poured out their lifeblood on the ground.”

And my God is real, as you are about to discover, and not like the fictional character Hannibal Lecter.

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Yeah...you "dare" say that.

I certainly dare to say that you, who have confessed that you accuse my God of being a vicious, murderous, barbaric, vengeful, wrathful, quick-to-anger/slow-to-forgive God? Have certainly made the choice that my God has given you to make between everlasting life and everlasting death.

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You are scared shitless of that god of yours. So I understand your position. People felt that way about Saddam Hussein, Hitler, Stalin, Idi Amin, Napoleon, and so many other people like them.

Nah mate, not me, but you certainly will be.

Good night old mate, you have made your bed, and now comes the time that you must lay in it.

Stop being so afraid. If there is a GOD...it almost certainly will not be anything like that vicious, murderous, barbaric, vengeful, wrathful, quick-to-anger/slow-to-forgive God described in the Bible.

You'll be okay. Stop cowering.

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@Frank Apisa,

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Stop being so afraid. If there is a GOD...it almost certainly will not be anything like that vicious, murderous, barbaric, vengeful, wrathful, quick-to-anger/slow-to-forgive God described in the Bible.

Who could be afraid of a loving and protective God, except for those who have accused him as being a vicious, murderous, barbaric, vengeful, wrathful, quick-to-anger/slow-to-forgive God, whereas, the bible describes him as being born as a perfect spiritual being, who lays down his life for the sins of those who were obedient to the animalist spirit that was evolving in the body of Mankind?

You do believe in evolution, don’t you Frankie? Ahh, but then I forgot, it could be that you actually have no beliefs at all.

But those who do believe in evolution, believe that mankind evolved within the body of our animal ancestors, and they believe also that mankind who appears to stand on the top rung of the ladder of evolution, does not close the door to the evolutionary process.

Just as man evolved within the bodies of our animal ancestors, the evolving spirit in man, which, in the beginning was still very animalistic, and was the evolving spirit that our ancient human ancestors, were obedient to.

That animalistic spirit in man eventually evolves into the perfected and sinless “SON OF MAN” who is born when the umbilical cord that binds him to the human body, is severed. when that body of mankind and all physical life forms on this planet, are incinerated by heavenly radiation just after the Great Sabbath of one thousand years.

And He, ‘THE SON OF MAN’ is my Lord God and saviour, who you have accused as being a vicious, murderous, barbaric, vengeful, wrathful, quick-to-anger/slow-to-forgive God.

All have sinned, and all must die once as the penalty for the sins of our flesh, the disembodied mind/spirit that had developed within that physical womb, then goes off into judgement.

And it is ‘THE SON OF MAN’ who descends into his dead past to take on the sins of the world, and pay the ultimate penalty for the sins of the body of Eve, who has become the great pregnant and sinful body in which her son, who is to crush the head of Satan, according to our erroneous concept of one directional linear time has already been born in our future.

This happens after he has filled the body that his heavenly Father had prepared for Him, with his spirit and chose him as his Heir and the caretaker of his heavenly throne, until he has remained in the valley of Man for three days or rather three periods of one thousand years, after which, he will take his earthly throne and dwell among mankind, after he has divided the righteous from the unrepentant wicked, and given to each group; the rewards that their actions deserve.

It was not the death of Jesus which pays for the sins of the boy of mankind, but the indwelling spirit who abandoned his heir on the cross, as Jesus cried out; "My God, my God, why have you abandoned me? As He, 'The Son of Man' who can not actually die, ceased to be an individual entity as he released all the righteous spirits of the saints who had been gathered to him, the indwelling evolving spirit in man, and the graves of those saints were immediately opened and three days Later, those saints came out of their graves and entered the city and revealed themselves to many as the Risen body of our Lord, of which body, Jesus was now their Head.

But why waste my valuable time, conversing with one who accuses our Lord God and saviour, the “MOST HIGH” to develop within this creation as being a vicious, murderous, barbaric, vengeful, wrathful, quick-to-anger/slow-to-forgive God.

It is they who have spoken such hard and filthy accusations against our Lord God and saviour, who, on the day when he appears, will cower and cringe as they call to the mountains and the rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!

But you'll be okay, if you confess your great sin, and truly repent and ask for His forgiveness. Then you can stop cowering and cringing in fear of his awesome coming appearance.

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