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Supernatural and fantasy thinking about religion. Is it good or evil?

 
 
Reply Thu 7 May, 2020 09:48 am
Supernatural and fantasy thinking about religion. Is it good or evil?

We can scientifically explain the supernatural itch that some allow to control their thinking.

In children, this might be a good way of expanding their minds, but adults are asked to put away the things of children, which, to me, includes supernatural and fantasy thinking.

I use these to show substance dualism. I see this as a useful trait for us in nature but not for our spiritual and religious sides.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWx_uVDh4Cw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IqYHiejTVM

I see thinking supernaturally as a deterrent to knowing god, even as I promote fantasy thinking in the seeking of the best rulers and laws to live by, which is a good definition for god. After all, Moses, not that he was real, came down from the mountain with rules and laws and not some fantasy supernatural god.

The laws on earth can never be the same laws as in heaven and we can never reach the pinnacle of as above, so below.

Do you see supernatural thinking as childish or adult thinking?

Do you see supernatural thinking in childish as good?

Do you see supernatural thinking in adults as evil?

Regards
DL
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 8 May, 2020 02:15 am
@Greatest I am,
Interesting however you do remember that when Mosses came down from his first meeting with the 'boss' he got annoy enough to order mass killings and his supporters carry out his wish until they was too tires to swing a sword.

In real history religion had been the source of many many mass murders and for that reason alone magical religion thinking should not be encourage not even consisting that magical thinking had slow down our understanding of the real universe to a very great degree.

Consider that men needed to risk deaths by torture by just suggesting that the earth may not be the center of the universe.
Greatest I am
 
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Reply Sat 9 May, 2020 02:46 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Interesting however you do remember that when Mosses came down from his first meeting with the 'boss' he got annoy enough to order mass killings and his supporters carry out his wish until they was too tires to swing a sword.

In real history religion had been the source of many many mass murders and for that reason alone magical religion thinking should not be encourage not even consisting that magical thinking had slow down our understanding of the real universe to a very great degree.

Consider that men needed to risk deaths by torture by just suggesting that the earth may not be the center of the universe.


Nice.

We are on the same page.

Now if only the literalists would do the same.

Regards
DL

The Anointed
 
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Reply Fri 20 Aug, 2021 04:53 am
@Greatest I am,
Yea! But the only trouble is, you're both on the wrong page.
Greatest I am
 
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Reply Sun 22 Aug, 2021 02:34 pm
@The Anointed,
The Anointed wrote:

Yea! But the only trouble is, you're both on the wrong page.


Good convincing argument.

You win this one Champ.

Regards
DL
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The Anointed
 
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Reply Sun 22 Aug, 2021 05:11 pm
@Greatest I am,
Do I believe in the seemingly supernatural events that occurred in Egypt at the time of the Exodus, when the righteous judge had all the first born males of the Egyptians killed in response to the King ordering all new born Israelite males, to be exposed in the River Nile? Yes I do.

The fourteenth day of the first month of the Jewish year, which was the first Passover ever, was the day in which all the firstborn sons of Egypt were killed.

Around that time the volcanic Island of Santorini or Thira as it is also known, which was situated in the Aegean-sea, on the Anatolian plate, which is subject to the forces of the over-riding African Plate that grinds against the Arabian plate in its Northern migration, exploded with many times the force of Krakatoa, which was a volcanic island that exploded in 1883, and that explosion was heard 5,000 kilometres away, and caused a tsunami that killed at least 36,000 people.

It has been estimated that when the island of Santorini exploded, 35,000 kilometres of material was lifted into the stratosphere, and that the explosive force would have created tidal waves of anything up to 130 ft high which would have traveled at speeds of around 150 miles per hour.

A cloud, that turned day into night around 1,500 BC, has been recorded in Chinese history, and would have covered all of north Africa.

The African and Arabian plates intersect in a line that runs through the Red Sea and up the Jordan valley through the Dead Sea.

Look at the strange phenomenon that was occurring at the time of the Exodus. The cloud that blanketed north Africa and most of Europe, and turned day into a night so dark that a man was not able to recognise his own brother who was standing at arms-length from him. The rain of sulfuric acid that caused so much crop failure and the death of the livestock which were forced to feed on the polluted pastures, the following series of shock waves along the great rift valley and the fractures in the Sini peninsular which is situated on the Arabian plate, the bulging of the earth’s crust beneath the Red Sea which caused a highway to rise from the waters, with its following tremor when it collapsed and tidal waves that rolled in like two walls of water on either side of where the highway had been.

Wisdom of Solomon 19: 7-8, ‘Then was beheld the cloud that shadowed the camp, and dry land rising up out of what was before water, out of the Red sea, an unhindered highway, and a grassy plain rising out of the violent surge.”

Look even where the Israelites camped on the shore of the Red sea, which was smack bang in the middle of a major coal field in Egypt.

The bulging earth rising from the surging sea before them, pressurized gas screaming from the opening fissures creating towering pillars of fire to burn behind them, a strong east wind blew all that night causing the thick smoke to blind the pursuing Egyptians while lighting up the camp of the Israelites on the eastern side of those wild fires.

All these events were caused from pressures that had been built up over tens of thousands of years and would have occurred in their proper time, irrelevant as too the Israeli situation. Where the miracle lay, was in the fact that an unseen deity of the future, was able, through his prophet Moses, to organise the events leading up to and including the exodus itself at the precise time in history that this cataclysmic event occurred.

In the book “The Wisdom of Solomon, 16” Solomon has much to say about the days of Moses; he speaks of the strange hails that fell from heaven. Burning balls of frozen gases, some with the ability to burn even in water, some which burned with a heat so intense that they incinerated anything they came in contact with, while other hail, burned with a cold fire through which animals could walk unharmed.

35,000 kilometres of material was lifted into the stratosphere
Solomon also speaks of the cloud that covered the Israelites in the desert and of the Manna that fell from heaven during the night. According to Solomon, the heavenly covering was a cloud by day and a host of stars by night, (a night sky ablaze with falling balls of burning hail stones). Then concerning the heavenly Manna, he says, “And that which was not injured by fire, [Burning hailstones] simply warmed by a faint sun beam melted away.

Each morning the desert floor was covered with the residue of the melted hailstones, mounds of a flaky cellulose substance, which looked like coriander seed, and would melt and breed worms and stink if left out in the sun, and yet could be preserved when cooked, and tasted like biscuits mixed with the purest of olive oils.

Carbohydrates are any of a group of chemical compounds, including sugars, starches, and cellulose, containing carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen ‘ONLY’, [of which there was an ample supply in the cloud from the volcanic explosion] with the ratio of hydrogen to oxygen atoms usually 2 : 1.

Perhaps, if our scientists could simulate the same conditions that occurred in the stratosphere when the island of Thira exploded, they may come up with an inexpensive and environmentally friendly source of food production to feed the starving millions on the earth.

The early Egyptian magicians or scientists, were able to duplicate some of the miracles of God as performed by Moses. Wouldn’t it be wonderful if our magician/scientists of today were able to perform the more mysterious of God’s miracles as seen in the days of Moses, and provide an abundant and cheap source of food to feed the ever-growing population on this earth.

As I have already said, all those things that happened in Egypt at that time, were caused from pressures that had built up over many, many, thousands of years. Where the miracle is found, is in the fact that some invisible entity from some other time dimension, was able to instigate the Exodus, at the precise time that the destructive forces beneath the island of Santorini, were beginning to awake.

Although radiocarbon dating of an olive tree imbedded in lava would appear to indicate a 1600 BCE eruption of Santorini/Thera, that is, if the lava that it was imbedded in was from the actual eruption that devastated the island and its surrounding districts and not from an earlier minor lava flow. There are many archaeologists who still believe that the date is contradicted by findings in Egyptian and Theran excavations.

Buried Egyptian and Cypriot pottery found on Thera were dated to a later period than the radiometric dates for the eruption, and, since the conventional Egyptian chronology has been established by numerous archaeological studies, the exact date of the eruption remains controversial.

Because of all the contradicting evidence, the exact date of the eruption has been difficult to determine. For most of the twentieth century, archaeologists placed it at approximately 1500 BCE, but this date appeared to be too young as radiocarbon dating analysis of that olive tree which was buried beneath “A” lava flow from the volcano on Santorini, indicate that the particular lava flow in which the olive tree was im-bedded, occurred between 1627 BCE and 1600 BCE.

But at Tell el Dab'a in Egypt, pumice found at this location has been dated to 1540 BCE, closer to the traditionally accepted date of Thera's eruption. This matches the composition of the Thera eruption.

And do I believe that after 40 years of wandering in the wilderness, when the Israelites who surrounded Jericho sounded the Trumpets and the crowd shouted, the wall of Jericho came crashing down? Yes I do.
Greatest I am
 
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Reply Sat 28 Aug, 2021 03:27 pm
@The Anointed,
The Anointed wrote:


I believe



What you believe is foolish.

Reed sea. Not Red sea. Not a trace left for 40 years of life.

Don't be stupid.

Try Hyksos Expulsion.

Supernatural thinking evil.

Logos always trumps mythos.

Regards
DL
The Anointed
 
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Reply Sun 29 Aug, 2021 03:32 pm
@Greatest I am,
You don't have to believe in the historical invasion of Egypt by the Hyksos, who ruled the country for 215 years. You are not he only person who buries their heads in the sand and refuse to accept the truth.

And if you believe that it is possible to find any trace of a nomadic tribe who wandered the desert for 40 years never remaining in the one sport for very long, then you are more foolish than you have already proved yourself to be.

And please don't reveal your total ignorance, by saying that you know what the biblical 'LOGOS' is.

I suppose you don't believe that the walls of Jericho came crashing down some 40 years after the Shepherd Kings were told to leave Egypt, as proven by some of our top archeologists.

I leave you now, so that 'YOU' can return to wallow in your little slush pool of ignorance.

Greatest I am
 
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Reply Fri 3 Sep, 2021 01:56 pm
@The Anointed,
The Anointed wrote:

You don't have to believe in the historical invasion of Egypt by the Hyksos, who ruled the country for 215 years. You are not he only person who buries their heads in the sand and refuse to accept the truth.

And if you believe that it is possible to find any trace of a nomadic tribe who wandered the desert for 40 years never remaining in the one sport for very long, then you are more foolish than you have already proved yourself to be.

And please don't reveal your total ignorance, by saying that you know what the biblical 'LOGOS' is.

I suppose you don't believe that the walls of Jericho came crashing down some 40 years after the Shepherd Kings were told to leave Egypt, as proven by some of our top archeologists.

I leave you now, so that 'YOU' can return to wallow in your little slush pool of ignorance.




See how your desire to not speak of the morals you follow, that you will talk of anything but.

All you are showing is that your god ignores the free will we are supposed to have.

You also ignore how we are supposed to be under Satan's rule thanks to the prick you pray to.

You have no free will in thinking as you do and neither do I in your disgusting theology.

When the wall came down, to those stupid enough to think it was real, is their/ your proof, ---- that those inside had their free will annulled.

Regards
DL

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