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Kids in cages; how does anyone defend this

 
 
Reply Mon 18 Jun, 2018 03:45 pm
This is a moment where the United States will be judged for decades. Separating kids from their parents as a deterrent to refugees is against any reasonable moral standard.

I am ashamed for my country, and I fervently hope that that we are better than this.

This is simply evil, there is no excuse for this.
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layman
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jun, 2018 04:06 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:
Separating kids from their parents as a deterrent to refugees is against any reasonable moral standard.

There has already been a lot said on this topic in the "monitoring Trump" thread, Max. You might want to join in there.

We have NOT separated any children whose parents are legitimately seeking asylum from their parents, nor are we charging them with any crimes.

It seems to me that you have been "ashamed for your country" for a long time. What else is new?
maxdancona
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jun, 2018 04:17 pm
@layman,
Quote:
We have NOT separated any children whose parents are legitimately seeking asylum from their parents, nor are we charging them with any crimes.


So what? Even if this were correct, it is still evil to separate children from their parents as a deterrent.

I guess you are willing to defend this barbaric policy.
layman
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jun, 2018 04:26 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

Quote:
We have NOT separated any children whose parents are legitimately seeking asylum from their parents, nor are we charging them with any crimes.


So what? Even if this were correct, it is still evil to separate children from their parents as a deterrent.

I guess you are willing to defend this barbaric policy.



Blame the left-wing ACLU if you don't like it. Write them a letter or something, eh? On behalf of illegal immigrants they got a court order mandating that kids be separated from their parents years ago.

Trump has to follow the law--which can be changed. Ted Cruz just prepared an "emergency" bill to do so--see the other thread. In the meantime, Trump can't lawfully disobey court edicts.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jun, 2018 04:33 pm
@layman,
If you are going to defend this barbaric act... at least get your facts straight.

- this is solely the responsibility of the Trump administration. They chose to enforce what they are calling a "zero tolerance" policy. If you are going to defend it have the balls to take responsibility for it rather than blaming other people.

- this didn't happen under Obama. This didn't happen under either Bush administration or Clinton or Reagan.

This barbaric policy was created solely by the Trump administration. No one else even considered doing this.

If you think separating kids from their parents is a good policy.... then defend it. Blaming a policy you support on other people is cowardice.
layman
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jun, 2018 04:36 pm
@maxdancona,
Get your facts straight, Max, for once willya? All those presidents did the same. They had to. It's the law. Well, not Reagan. He kept families together, but that was before the ACLU butted in and objected.

We already know that you oppose enforcing the law, what else is new?

I suppose you would object to prosecuting serial killers who had kids because it would be "barbaric" to separate them from their kids, eh?
maxdancona
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jun, 2018 04:44 pm
@layman,
layman wrote:

Get your facts straight, Max, for once willya? All those presidents did the same. They had to. It's the law.


You are just making stuff up now. Up until the Trump administration changed the policy, parents were always detained with their children.

... If you can't tell the difference between immigrant families and serial killers... maybe that is the problem.
layman
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jun, 2018 04:49 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:
You are just making stuff up now. Up until the Trump administration changed the policy, parents were always detained with their children.


Hahahahaha.

https://able2know.org/topic/355218-2476#post-6661851
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jun, 2018 04:55 pm
@layman,
You are being cowardly in this argument.

The Trump enacted a new policy. This policy is leading to thousand of children being separated from their parents. This would not have happened under the old policy.

Rather than defending this new policy that Trump enacted (which I find barbaric) you are blaming the ACLU and denying any responsibility from the administration with the sole power to set this policy.

If you are going to defend this new policy... have the balls to defend it.


layman
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jun, 2018 04:57 pm
@maxdancona,
I already told you, Max: See the other thread if you want to know my position on it. I'm not going to repeat dozens of posts all over again, just for you, sorry.

Did you look at the post I referred you to? Can you BELIEVE how barbaric that damn Obama was, eh!?
maxdancona
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jun, 2018 05:02 pm
@layman,
In April, Jeff Sessions announced a new policy he called "zero tolerance". This is a policy that didn't exist under any other administration. This is causing the separation of thousands of children from their parents.

You are pretending that this is nothing new. That is bullshit

If you are going to defend the policy announced by Jeff Sessions in April... Have the balls to defend it honestly.

You aren't even willing to own up to it.
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layman
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jun, 2018 05:05 pm
@layman,
Max wrote:
You are just making stuff up now. Up until the Trump administration changed the policy, parents were always detained with their children.


I'm willing to accept your apology for accusing me of "making stuff up" any time you're ready, Max. While you're at it, you can also apologize for just "making stuff up" yourself, eh?
maxdancona
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jun, 2018 05:07 pm
@layman,
I wish there were someone here who could defend the Trump policy honestly. I suspect that you already know that this policy is indefensible.. but you are choosing to weasel out rather than admit it.
layman
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jun, 2018 05:09 pm
@maxdancona,
Go to the other thread. Read it. Educate yourself. Then wring your cheese-eating hands there, why doncha?
maxdancona
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jun, 2018 05:14 pm
@layman,
The polls are saying Americans are against the Trump policy 67%-27%. Kids in cages is going to make a great issue for the midterm elections. I almost feel sorry for every Republican candidate who is going to have to answer directly for this unpopular policy without angering their base.

I said almost...

layman
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jun, 2018 05:22 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

The polls are saying Americans are against the Trump policy 67%-27%. Kids in cages is going to make a great issue for the midterm elections. I almost feel sorry for every Republican candidate who is going to have to answer directly for this unpopular policy without angering their base.

I said almost...


So these poor kids are just a political issue for you, hoping to get votes, eh, Max?

Like, whooda thunk, I ax ya?
layman
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jun, 2018 05:28 pm
If those negligent parents were U.S. Citizens, you can bet their kids would be taken from them and put in foster homes by DCFS, eh?

Taking their kids with them on crime sprees? Forcing them to swim the Rio Grande. Marching them thousands of miles through hostile countries without means of support. Wouldn't surprise me if some of them allowed coyotes to sexually molest them in lieu of cash payment.

Ya talk about "child endangerment," and child abuse, eh!?
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oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jun, 2018 05:29 pm
maxdancona wrote:
Kids in cages; how does anyone defend this
What is the alternative? Put kids in prison alongside their parents? Shall we simply turn these kids lose in the Mexican desert?
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oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jun, 2018 05:30 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:
- this is solely the responsibility of the Trump administration. They chose to enforce what they are calling a "zero tolerance" policy. If you are going to defend it have the balls to take responsibility for it rather than blaming other people.
That is incorrect. This policy could quickly be ended if Democrats agreed to compromise with Trump over border security.

But Democrats refuse to compromise with Trump.

I think it's because Democrats like seeing pictures of crying children.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jun, 2018 05:31 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:
You are just making stuff up now. Up until the Trump administration changed the policy, parents were always detained with their children.
Explain these pictures of kids without parents in Obama Administration detention centers:
http://www.gannett-cdn.com/media/Phoenix/GenericImages/2014/06/18/1403129833004-phxdc5-6fsg3itx2rn82v0ojhh-original.jpg
http://www.gannett-cdn.com/media/Phoenix/Phoenix/2014/06/18/1403120782000-phxdc5-6fse5sangjbm29vhjh3-original.jpg
http://www.gannett-cdn.com/media/Phoenix/Phoenix/2014/06/18/1403131399003-phxdc5-6fsg3kpsfue2uu0wjhh-original.jpg
http://www.gannett-cdn.com/media/Phoenix/GenericImages/2014/06/18/1403129833008-phxdc5-6fsg3l3ir3b1nfylkjhh-original.jpg
 

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