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Another hoax shooting to fool the sheeple in order to bring in more gun control

 
 
camlok
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2018 06:50 pm
@ehBeth,
This is what I was talking about in the other thread, blatham.

The previous posts, you'll know 'em when you read them - a bunch of budding Red Scare kids!
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 21 Feb, 2018 03:20 am
Quote:
We need #MeToo moment on guns
Updated 12:08 p.m. ET Feb. 19, 2018

Across the generations victims of sexual harassment suffered in silence and defeat, resigned to the likelihood that their accusations would be treated with disdain to protect those in power, guilty or not. The system seemed irrevocably stacked against them.

Then came the #MeToo movement, and something shifted. There was no single tipping point, but the moment arrived. The harassed fought back and spoke out, empowered by their numbers and a recognition that even the rich and famous aren’t immune. Their collective voices are making a difference, and what seemed impossible for so long is now possible. Attackers are being identified, and taken down. The culture is changing.

Maybe, just maybe, the nation’s students can inspire their own version of the #MeToo movement on gun control. They are, after all, being targeted, virtually every day, yet their fears are being downplayed, as if our youth can’t possibly comprehend the grand complexities that Washington politicians must confront. The system seems irrevocably stacked against them.

But after last week’s high school shooting massacre in Parkland, Florida, many student survivors and other teenagers around the nation worried they’ll become the next victims have had enough. They are speaking out, rightly criticizing lawmakers for their inaction. They’re organizing protests and rallies, trying to raise awareness and spur action. They are behaving more responsibly, with a more mature approach to reasonable gun controls, than the supposed adults in Washington. They don’t “understand” what it means to grapple with the National Rifle Association because they’re not bowing at the NRA’s feet for money.

Will it last? Can any of this make a real difference? Many thought the Sandy Hook massacre of first-graders would have turned the tide. But brief momentum went nowhere. If that wasn’t enough, what could be? Students nationwide must keep up the pressure, and they’ll need help from communities and their government representatives on all levels.

But some Republicans lawmakers are already listening, saying they’re willing to support reasonable measures such as expanded background checks and certain weapons and ammo bans. Rep. Leonard Lance wants to lift a ridiculous federal ban on researching links between mental illness and gun violence. We can’t expect President Trump to show leadership, yet even Trump would reportedly back some strengthened background checks. Of course he also floated his support for banning bump stocks after the Las Vegas shootings last October, but never followed through.

Students have a tough assignment. Massive amounts of money and power are allied against them, to fight any inroads on gun control. Any #MeToo-like groundswell will be countered by gun-rights activists and conspiracy theories. Our youth will be dismissed as naïve and too quick to move on to another cause or video game. Their supporters will be condemned as raging liberals assaulting the Second Amendment.

This may not yet be the #MeToo moment on guns. But the underlying anger and frustration are building. That moment is coming. We just don’t know how many more lives will have to be sacrificed to get there.


https://www.mycentraljersey.com/story/opinion/editorials/2018/02/19/editorial-need-metoo-moment-guns/110597588/
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 21 Feb, 2018 04:51 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
The US will never solve its gun addiction through peaceful, democratic means.

Kind of like our "addiction to oxygen", that is not a problem and it doesn't need solving.


Olivier5 wrote:
They will either keep limping from one fix to the next, from one massacre to the next, forever, or they will overdose at some point and have a civil war between the gun suckers and the adults. Hopefuly the adults will win.

America will remain free forever.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 21 Feb, 2018 04:52 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
Can you think of any amendments that were later amended??

Prohibition was the only amendment that removed a right.

It was subsequently the only amendment to ever be repealed by a follow up amendment.

Note also that the NRA will never allow anyone to either damage or destroy the Second Amendment.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 21 Feb, 2018 04:55 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
Wrongidy wrong.
Ive advocated against several aspects of assault weapons.

http://able2know.org/topic/203766-54#post-5201295

http://able2know.org/topic/206143-5#post-5231166

http://able2know.org/topic/203766-20#post-5197620


farmerman wrote:
ONCE more, Im against the capacity and the construction of the gun to receive , say, a banana clip.

If a gun can accept a detachable magazine at all, it is possible to make a banana clip that will fit that gun.


farmerman wrote:
State hunting laws govern the top number of shells that can be within the breech or slide. In Pa and NY and most of the hunting world, Its under 5 without reloading.

That's why people who hunt that sort of game with assault rifles use five round magazines.


farmerman wrote:
These few construction as[pect coupled with better background checks . Canada still hs 28 days with a much better cross check than we have. Pa has one of the better gun checks and background checks and still much gets overlooked.

I've never heard anyone explain why a background check needs to take longer than an hour.


farmerman wrote:
useless short barrels just to keep a long gun concealed also gotta go.

As I recall, they have fallen under NFA restrictions since 1934.

I share your view that short rifle barrels are bad (if it's a rifle, we want velocity), but do note that the police and military tend to be equipped with 14 inch barrels on their rifles. They apparently don't seem to think that short barrels are useless.


farmerman wrote:
Im sure they can put their brains to work to come up with wifi enabled"secure" guns or better security locks and safeties.

That's OK as an option maybe. But no mandate for such guns will be allowed unless they are also mandated for all law enforcement.

I wonder if Tarnhelm is still in business.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 21 Feb, 2018 04:56 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
Im always dubious about saying "never". Ive lived through several major upheavals in science in my 60 years. So, Im hopeful we can solve the qapon problem while still maintaining our 2nd amendment rights.

If you want to do something that can be justified with a good reason, there is no conflict with the Second Amendment.

Laws are unconstitutional when they restrict a right without a good reason.


farmerman wrote:
Canadian gun laws would make a novel test in our supreme court. They made war mostly against ammo and ammo capacity and a minor war against gun cosmetics.

No war against cosmetics would pass muster.

Not likely that a war against ammo would pass muster. Unless someone can come up with a good reason for whatever was being proposed.


farmerman wrote:
Their background check is 28 days

Is there any good reason for it to take so long?


farmerman wrote:
nd theyeve taken the aspect of "match the gun to the work"
(Nobody goes hunting moose with a .222 up there because
Its stupid to piss of a moose in hunting season and its cruel to not deliver a sufficient (F=m a) killing shot as quickly s possible

American game laws are much the same already.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 21 Feb, 2018 04:57 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
French law works the same way, by and large. One can buy many guns but not many ammo... but the law is but a tiny part of the issue.

The right to have guns includes the right to have ammo for the guns.


Olivier5 wrote:
You guys have a unique culture of gun hoarding. You got to work on that too.

Freedom is not a problem that needs to be solved.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 21 Feb, 2018 05:20 am
@oralloy,
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Freedom is not a problem that needs to be solved.

It is, to the extent that your freedom can impinged upon mine, and therefore a lot of what politics are about in modern democratic societies is solving 'freedom boundary issues': where does your freedom stops, and mine starts? Societal goals are often contradictory, and managing those contradictions is what politics are ultimately about.

For instance, the freedom of my kids from fear might take precedence over your freedom to scare and kill them.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 21 Feb, 2018 05:26 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
or make gun mfrs economically responsible on perhaps a per capita basis, where the more people shot in a single incident the higher the liability on a dollar per life basis. Maybe thatd get all these clowns off thwir asses and become pqrt of a solution rather than sitting there claiming 2nd amendment dont cost lives.

We will not allow the a backdoor assault on our rights by burying gun manufacturers in frivolous lawsuits.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 21 Feb, 2018 05:27 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
I ecourage an all out assault, through as many means as possible such as shunning them, shaming them, defunding congress members who receive their money.

Money is not the source of our power over them.

Shunning the entire government (both parties will continue to have good relations with us whether you like it or not) is only going to cut the shunners off from having any say in policy.


Olivier5 wrote:
Draw them to court. Tax them. Vote them out. Extoll a price as high as possible on this antisocial organisation called the NRA and all its donors and affiliates.

Civil rights advocates are hardly anti-social.

And America has Constitutional protections that prevent such assaults against political organizations.


Olivier5 wrote:
They are your kids' real murderers. I'm serious.

Civil rights advocates are not responsible for crimes committed by other people.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 21 Feb, 2018 05:30 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
It is, to the extent that your freedom can impinged upon mine,

Our freedom does not impinge on anyone.


Olivier5 wrote:
and therefore a lot of what politics are about in modern democratic societies is solving 'freedom boundary issues': where does your freedom stops, and mine starts? Societal goals are often contradictory, and managing those contradictions is what politics are ultimately about.

We have rights in America. If politics results in a law that restricts our rights for no good reason, the courts strike it down as unconstitutional.


Olivier5 wrote:
For instance, the freedom of my kids from fear might take precedence over your freedom to scare and kill them.

No such rights. Our actual real-world rights do not harm anyone.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 21 Feb, 2018 05:32 am
@oralloy,
I'm not talking of Martin Luther King. I'm talking about the mass murderers in the NRA. Somebody should give them their own medicine.
farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 21 Feb, 2018 05:36 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
We will not allow the a backdoor assault on our rights by burying gun manufacturers in frivolous lawsuits


WE?? who' s we?

as usual your arguments are selfish with a tinge of autism.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 21 Feb, 2018 05:39 am
@oralloy,
I suppose the good thing is the US doesn't have cause to fear foreign-born terrorists. You have your own indigenous source of terror, made in America, which kills more of you than any foreign terrorist could.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 21 Feb, 2018 06:00 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
I'm not talking of Martin Luther King. I'm talking about the mass murderers in the NRA.

The NRA is just as much a defender of civil rights as Martin Luther King was.

And the NRA has not murdered anyone.


Olivier5 wrote:
Somebody should give them their own medicine.

The KKK felt the same way about civil rights advocates.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 21 Feb, 2018 06:03 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
WE?? who' s we?

All of the various gun rights rights advocates in America.


farmerman wrote:
as usual your arguments are selfish with a tinge of autism.

We're going to protect our civil rights. Too bad if anyone doesn't like that.
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hightor
 
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Reply Wed 21 Feb, 2018 06:20 am
@oralloy,
Over the course of a decade or two the NRA was hijacked by right-wing loonies in cahoots with the gun manufacturers (who offer discounts to NRA members) at the expense of the sportsmen, conservationists, and gun safety advocates. I used to belong to a pistol club and the difference between the two factions was as plain as day. It wouldn't surprise me if the NRA splits apart with the sportsmen taking the high road and the freedom-fetishists and their ugly assault weapons left on the sidelines listening to Ted Nugent.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 21 Feb, 2018 06:47 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
Over the course of a decade or two the NRA was hijacked by right-wing loonies

I suppose loonie is a matter of opinion, but it's not a word I'd use to characterize someone who defends civil rights.


hightor wrote:
in cahoots with the gun manufacturers (who offer discounts to NRA members)

Hardly in cahoots. The manufacturers don't care about civil rights. Or at least, most of them don't.

They pay lip service to civil rights because they know that we will destroy them if they cross us.


hightor wrote:
at the expense of the sportsmen, conservationists, and gun safety advocates.

"At their expense" sounds as if they've been harmed.

Having your rights protected is a good thing.


hightor wrote:
It wouldn't surprise me if the NRA splits apart with the sportsmen taking the high road and the freedom-fetishists and their ugly assault weapons left on the sidelines listening to Ted Nugent.

I suppose "taking the high road" is a euphemism for "giving up our civil rights"?
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 21 Feb, 2018 08:29 am
@oralloy,
Yes they are murderers, and if given a chance, if they can make a buck out of it, they will murder you too. Let's pray the Lord.
camlok
 
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Reply Wed 21 Feb, 2018 08:36 am
@Olivier5,
You know some other murderers too, Olivier. Why do you provide such deep support for them when you know full well they are murderers? And incredible liars, war criminals, terrorists of the most vicious kind, baby killers, purveyors of genocide, thieves, ... .
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