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Guns: how much longer will it take ....

 
 
msolga
 
Reply Sat 4 Apr, 2009 02:07 am
.....for the penny to drop?: Easy access to guns leads to far too many easy killings of innocent people.:

14 dead in US immigration shooting
April 4, 2009 - 3:29PM

http://images.theage.com.au/2009/04/04/456422/shooting1-420x0.jpg

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Friday's carnage is the latest to rock small-town America, where many fiercely defend the legal right to bear powerful firearms.

On Sunday a heavily-armed man burst into a North Carolina nursing home killing eight people before being shot and wounded by a policeman.

Earlier this month, a 28-year-old unemployed man killed 10 people, including his mother and a toddler, in a shooting rampage through two counties in Alabama, the worst in the southern state's history.

In December, a man dressed as Santa Claus opened fire at a Christmas party being given by his ex-wife in Covina, California, killing nine people before shooting himself.

In September, a mentally ill man shot eight people, killing six, in Alger, Washington a month after being released from prison.

Friday's incident comes days before the second anniversary of a massacre at Virginia Tech - the deadliest school shooting in US history in which 32 students and professors were shot dead by a student gunman - and weeks before the 10th anniversary of the Columbine, Colorado school shooting.

The recent spate may be linked to the recession gripping the country, experts say.


http: //www.theage.com.au/world/14-dead-in-us-immigration-shooting-20090404-9s5v.html?page=-1



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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 4 Apr, 2009 03:06 am
@msolga,
So it would be better if the nuts would turn to home made bombs and away from firearms?

You would had feel better if the man had burned the people to death after sealing them in with a car using a can of gasoline and a match instead of a firearm?

There are a lot of ways to kill you fellow man in large numbers firearms are just one way of so doing and not even the "best" way.

No firearms was used in the 911 attacks and no firearms was used in the attack killing hundreds at the Federal building or the bomb attacks in the heart of London.

The problem is the will to harm others not the means that are chosen to do so.
dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 4 Apr, 2009 03:43 am
@msolga,
I think the answer is above.

Not for more than a century, if ever.

Those irrationally attached to a "freedom" which results in the slaughter of thousands a year have too much influence for sanity to prevail.
djjd62
 
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Reply Sat 4 Apr, 2009 05:03 am
@dlowan,
agreed
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saab
 
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Reply Sat 4 Apr, 2009 05:07 am
Wish that stricts laws could stop massacres, but I doubt it very much.
Switzerland has very liberal laws regarding weapons. Every able man, who is a soldier has to keep his gun at home and as far as I know also those who have been soldiers but still can be called in for service.
Looked up statistics:
Over 10 years attemnted murder or murder with guns have never been over 30% mostly under the lowest 20%.
Germany has very strict laws regarding weapons and there has been two massacres there - if I remember correctly.
Sweden has many hunters and rather strict laws. Year 2001 there were 1617 murders or attemnted murders of those 22 involved guns.
djjd62
 
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Reply Sat 4 Apr, 2009 05:11 am
canada has strict laws when it comes to handguns, no conceal and carry, weapons must be locked and properly stored when transporting, long guns are regulated but easier to obtain

most of the gun violence in canada has been centered around gangs, when these guns are confiscated they invariably come from the US
saab
 
  1  
Reply Sat 4 Apr, 2009 06:45 am
According to two Scandinavian newspapers Taliban in Pakistan is behind this
14 dead in US immigration shooting.
Can one believe it or not.
The Pakistan taliban leader Baitullah Mehsud said Saturday that he had ordered this, but the Pakistani security said this was pure nonsence
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BillRM
 
  1  
Reply Sat 4 Apr, 2009 06:46 am
@saab,
You do know that there is a movement in England to ban long kitchen knives and I am not joking.

It would seem that the killing device during families disagreement in firearms free England is the long kitchen knife so the thinking is why not ban such olng knives as they are not needed in any case.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 4 Apr, 2009 06:51 am
Here is somethig for you anti-gun nuts to think about and something for you to go after you disarm the law abiding citiizens that would turn in thier firearms.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Doctors' kitchen knives ban call

Doctors say knives are too pointed
A&E doctors are calling for a ban on long pointed kitchen knives to reduce deaths from stabbing.
A team from West Middlesex University Hospital said violent crime is on the increase - and kitchen knives are used in as many as half of all stabbings.

They argued many assaults are committed impulsively, prompted by alcohol and drugs, and a kitchen knife often makes an all too available weapon.

The research is published in the British Medical Journal.

The researchers said there was no reason for long pointed knives to be publicly available at all.

They consulted 10 top chefs from around the UK, and found such knives have little practical value in the kitchen.


saab
 
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Reply Sat 4 Apr, 2009 07:01 am
@BillRM,
I believe it.
Instead of having a exhibition of carving knifes standing in a block onthe counter you should have them in a messy drawer with wooden spoons, unpaid bills, chewing gum or whatever you keep in a messy kitchendrawer.
Searching for the long knife might cool down the temprament.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 4 Apr, 2009 07:03 am
@saab,
My wife have her 38 right next to her on the bed stand at night.

As a result I try very hard not to go to bed with her mad or to annoy her in any way or in any manner in the bedroom<grin>.

The gun was a christmass gift from me and I made her promise before giving it to her that she would used one of the others guns in the household to shoot me and not my gift it she would decided to do so at some future date.

Still I am old enough not to trust women even my wife completely so I try not to annoy her<grin>.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 4 Apr, 2009 07:23 am
@msolga,
In florida where a large fraction of the population are able and does carry firearms around legally the odds that one of the 14 vicitms would had been arm and could had defended him or herself and others are fairly large.

If I or my wife had been there the odd of survivial of those poor people would had greatly increase.

dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 4 Apr, 2009 07:33 am
@BillRM,
Actually, some countries appear to be able to deal with guns, and have a high gun ownership rate, without massacring themselves at nearly the rate that Americans do.

The available evidence would suggest that Americans are one of the peoples least able to deal with high gun ownership, and that they ought therefore to be amongst the peoples least able to buy guns unrestricted.

It would be, I suppose, fine if the gun nuts massacred each other...sadly they seem inclined to murder non gun-nuts at an alarming rate.

We can do nothing except hope that, at some stage, US leaders marshall some gonads, and deprive the mad folk of the ability to kill large numbers of innocents in the name of freedom and safety.



OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 4 Apr, 2009 07:47 am
@msolga,
The problem was that the victims were UNARMED
and helpless, in full compliance with all gun control laws.

Government was in bed with the MURDERER, making the crime safe for him.

When the wolves are devouring the sheep
the liberals complain that the teeth must be pulled from the mouths of the SHEEP.





David
Ticomaya
 
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Reply Sat 4 Apr, 2009 07:55 am
People don't kill people ... guns kill people.

Oh, and SUVs. And long, pointy kitchen knives.
BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Sat 4 Apr, 2009 08:03 am
I might have more sympathy for gun owners if the NRA stopped hiding it's cause behind the Second Amendment when the true reason is the gun industry. It's all about selling guns. It's all about money.

BBB
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 4 Apr, 2009 08:06 am
@dlowan,
So you think the government can wave a magic wand and get rid of a few hundred sof millions of firearms in this country?

You might be able to disarm myself and my wife at least as far as carrying in public but you sure the hell are not going to stop the nuts from having and using weapons.

And once more are you of the opinion that the only means of mass murder is by firearms?
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parados
 
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Reply Sat 4 Apr, 2009 08:09 am
@Ticomaya,
guns don't kill people. Gun NUTS do.

We need to license those gun NUTS. The only way to do it is by licensing them when they buy guns.
Ticomaya
 
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Reply Sat 4 Apr, 2009 08:10 am
@BumbleBeeBoogie,
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
I might have more sympathy for gun owners if ...

Why would you have sympathy for gun owners?
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 4 Apr, 2009 08:12 am
@BumbleBeeBoogie,
Hiding behind a right hmm. The nuts and criminials who used guns and carry weapons are not hiding behind the 2 admendment and care little if their weapons are legal or not legal.

It was not an NRA member who did the shooting I will bet you a large amount of money on that fact.

How must would you like to bet?
 

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