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Guns: how much longer will it take ....

 
 
BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Sat 4 Apr, 2009 08:14 am
@BillRM,
You didn't read my post carefully and didn't respond to my point.

BBB
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 4 Apr, 2009 08:18 am
@Ticomaya,
Why would you have sympathy for gun owners?
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And why would you wish to stop myself and my wife from having firearms?

Together we had been owners of such weapons for over 90 years. You are going to somehow cut down on a nut getting a gun and killing people by stoping us and people like us from legally owning firerms?
BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Sat 4 Apr, 2009 08:21 am
@BillRM,
I don't care about you owning guns as long as you don't use them illegally and are not part of the gun industry.

My older brother was a hunter by gun and by bow and arrow. We all were archers for sport competition.

BBB
saab
 
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Reply Sat 4 Apr, 2009 08:23 am
David´s argument is unlogical. Just because you are armed does not mean you cannot get shot.
Guns should only be sold to people who really need them - and not people who think they need them.
You have to prove you can shoot.
You have to prove you have no criminal records
You have to prove you can lock up the guns and noone can get at them except you. It should be illegal to have them at your bedside or carry them with you just because you think you need them.
You have to prove you are mentally stable
You are only allowed to use a gun for the purpose you get an allowance for
when you are a hunter only for hunting.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sat 4 Apr, 2009 08:44 am
@msolga,
msolga wrote:

Guns: how much longer will it take .........for the penny to drop?:
Easy access to guns leads to far too many easy killings of innocent people.:




Statistically speaking... far more innocent people are killed by motor vehicles than have by guns.
Staggering numbers of innocent people die on our roads every single day.

If you are truly concerned about saving innocent people from being killed, I suggest you focus your
attention on the government owned auto industry. Maybe it's the auto industry that owns the government...

Anyway, easy access to motor vehicles leads to horrific deaths and injuries of innocents.

BTW, Ted Kennedy's car has killed more innocent people than all of my guns combined.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 4 Apr, 2009 08:55 am
@saab,
Let see where to start so my wife who spend a large amount of time with me not being at home should still not be allow to have a weapon by her bedside for some reason.

Would you care to tell me why?

Now my wife and I had been on this planet a long time and had have guns near us for most of that time and you are now concern that we do. For what reason?

We did have a FBI criminal background check and was check out in handing a firearm in a safe manner to get our Concealed Carry Premises however to be true-full the safety check did not amount to must. However given that we had handled guns for a combine period of time of 90 years or so without having a problem that should be good enough proof would you not say? Oh as far as either one of our ability to hit what we aim at you can join us at a gun range anytime.

Now what standards are you going to apply to decide if we have a need for firearms? Your judgment or the state judgments should somehow be better then ours in this regards?

In the past she did travel a lot by herself in an RV and by her own plane and when she did so she also carry a riot shotgun along for protection. Under your rules would she be allow to do so?

Now all these laws and rules of your are not even going to slow down the nut who get his hand on a gun and go killing people you do know that right?
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 4 Apr, 2009 09:14 am
@BumbleBeeBoogie,
BumblebeeBoorgie what your problem with the gun industry?

It been a long long time since I had been out shooting a bow!

As a very young teenager I used to be a proud owner of a bow that could bring down a deer or a man at range greater then a handgun. There are few firearms that are more deadly then a hunting bow along with a razor hunting tip arrow being used by someone with skill in that art.

A lot of thinking concerning firearms seem to be of the magic type where changing the laws on firearms is going to stop or slow down people killing people if they care to do so.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 4 Apr, 2009 09:22 am
@djjd62,
djjd62 wrote:

canada has strict laws when it comes to handguns, no conceal and carry,
weapons must be locked and properly stored when transporting,
long guns are regulated but easier to obtain

most of the gun violence in canada has been centered around gangs,
when these guns are confiscated they invariably come from the US

That does not speak well for Canadian gunsmiths.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 4 Apr, 2009 09:30 am
@dlowan,
dlowan wrote:

I think the answer is above.

Not for more than a century, if ever.

Those irrationally attached to a "freedom" which results in the
slaughter of thousands a year have too much influence for sanity to prevail.

In America, sanity includes the concept of NOT interfering against
the victims FIGHTING BACK.

That was part of the original concept of depriving government
of jurisdiction to interfere in this. Gun control exists only
as a USURPATION of political power, like a bank teller plundering the vault.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 4 Apr, 2009 09:35 am
EVERYONE:
Imagine how a victim of a life-threatening emergency must feel
when the tool that woud successfully control and end the emergency
is put beyond his reach by the government that he finances from his pay.

When a citizen is in a predatory emergency
he needs a gun to degrade the predator 's offensive capability.
The penalty for not having a gun is DEATH,
in the discretion of the predator.




David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 4 Apr, 2009 10:02 am
@saab,
saab wrote:

David´s argument is unlogical.


Quote:

Just because you are armed does not mean you cannot get shot.

This is true.
The 2nd Amendment does not promise that u will win every gun fight.
It only promises u that government will not go into partnership
with the bad guy by making u helpless to defend yourself,
thereby aggrandizing the killer at your expense.





Quote:

Guns should only be sold to people who really need them -
and not people who think they need them.

That 's unconstitutional and un-American,
against the promise of equal protection of the laws.
ONLY the citizen customer has authority to make that decision,
and his life depends on his choice.





Quote:
You have to prove you can shoot.

U don 't.
The same as to vote, u don t need to prove u can read.
No one has authority to enforce such a thing.






Quote:
You have to prove you have no criminal records

Then what happens to equal protection of the laws ?
After Leona Helmsley got out of federal prison,
morally and logically, she had as much right
as anyone and as everyone to defensive gunnery.





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You have to prove you can lock up the guns and noone can get at them except you.

Nonsense.
What about your family members who may need to defend your home?

U have a right to lend your property.
If u are so ungenerous as to lend your guns to your friends
or relatives, thay can be killed in consequence.
Then that makes a lousy friend.




Quote:
It should be illegal to have them at your bedside
or carry them with you just because you think you need them.

I surmise that u are a violent criminal afraid of being injured
by your future victims ?
or maybe you are the parent of a robber or burglar
and u fear that one the victims of your child,
will fight back and kill him ? Is that it ?


Quote:
You have to prove you are mentally stable

Government simply has NO authority
to interfere in this, but it has authority to dispose of and isolate
people who become violent, with or without guns.


Quote:
You are only allowed to use a gun for the purpose you get
an allowance for when you are a hunter only for hunting.

Guns are for self-defense.
Thay can also incidentally be used for hunting.

This is just a lot of foolishness that u posted.
WHERE did u get all of this ??





David
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saab
 
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Reply Sat 4 Apr, 2009 10:26 am
I grew up in a family with several hunters and I knowseveral hunters.
Noone has any gun around except locked up
No one ever carries any form of gun around except for going hunting
No one ever had the idea of having to carry a gun for personal protection
Every one of the old generation died a natural death never having to protect themselves using a gun.
I would not feel secure staying with a family carrying guns around or having them by the bedside.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 4 Apr, 2009 10:37 am
@saab,
Saab I do not remember asking you to stay with me and you have a hundred percent right not to live in a household with weapons or weapons only lock up if you do not care to. I still do not see how you however have a right to tell me that I can not have a weapon by a bedside if I or my wife wish to.

A gun is hardly the first step in defensing a home. security bars and a monitor alarm system is the first layer a cell phome that can not be cut is the second layer and a gun is the last layer of defense.

Nor do I see how you are in any greater risk by my wife and I or people like myself or my wife legally carrying firearms. In fact you are at somewhat smaller risk because of that fact in my opinion.

As a matter of fact I am far more peaceful and go far more out of my way not to get involve in any form of a conflict when I am carrying a weapon then when I am not carrying a weapon.

And your point that all your people die of natural causes so what?

The last person in my family tree who die of a gun wound was fighing in the civil war and we all have guns around us 24/7.
saab
 
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Reply Sat 4 Apr, 2009 10:42 am
To get a licence to have guns in Sweden you have to get allowance by the police.
You cannot have a criminal background and you have to be careful/diligent.
As a hunter you have to have a hunter´s licence.
You have to be over 18 years.
If you want a gun because you are a member in a club for shooting you need proof you are a member and have been training for a certain amount of time.
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saab
 
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Reply Sat 4 Apr, 2009 10:44 am
@BillRM,
I did not tell you you cannot have a gun by your bedside - you live in USA and feel it has to be.
I don´t and I don´t like the freedom of guns carried around everywhere.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 4 Apr, 2009 10:48 am
@saab,
saab wrote:

I grew up in a family with several hunters and I knowseveral hunters.
Noone has any gun around except locked up
No one ever carries any form of gun around except for going hunting
No one ever had the idea of having to carry a gun for personal protection
Every one of the old generation died a natural death never having to protect themselves using a gun.
I would not feel secure staying with a family carrying guns around or having them by the bedside.

Its the same as fire extinguishers, or carrying spare tires in your car.
U don 't have to keep them if u don 't want to.

I choose to be well prepared.

Its better to HAVE a gun and not NEED one
than it is to NEED a gun and not HAVE one.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 4 Apr, 2009 10:57 am
@msolga,
msolga wrote:

..... Easy access to guns leads to far too many easy killings of innocent people.:
Olga:
U have it turned around BACKWARD
.
The people were killed
because of the difficulty of their getting defensive guns.
If thay had been well armed when the killer opened up
his life woud probably have been over within a few seconds.

GUN CONTROL CAUSES UNNECESSARY DEATH.
GUN CONTROL PROTECTS MURDERERS ON-THE-JOB.





David
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 4 Apr, 2009 10:59 am
@saab,
Once more why do you fear myself and my wife when we are carrying weapons?

How do you think you are you going to be harm by that fact?

Are you fearing that we will pull those weapons out and open fire on you for the hell of it?

An odd fear and if that is the case why do you not fear that we will decided to run you over with car or a van for the hell of it when you are out walking?

Or are you fearing we will used those weapons to rob you? What is you fear?

To me the more middle claass law abiding citizens who are arm the safer the public sphere is not the less.

Had you taken notice of the fact that gun shops are never rob when they are open with all the employees and a large fraction of the customers being openly arm.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Sat 4 Apr, 2009 11:10 am
@BillRM,
I for one do not trust your judgment. Too many gun-toters feel that the best response to any situation which seems at all threatening is to kill. I don't want to be around that.

I am not against guns and I nearly think that every American household should be REQUIRED to own a long rifle. But I don't agree with Pistols, a coward's weapon and the cause of much of the violence we see in our modern lives.

Cycloptichorn
parados
 
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Reply Sat 4 Apr, 2009 11:14 am
@BillRM,
When you can conceal a van in your purse, the comparison might be worth dealing with but...

A van is large and impossible to carry into restaurants, movie theaters, banks, etc.
A van makes noise if it is being aimed at me giving me the opportunity to react.
A van requires a key that makes it hard for anyone other than the owner to use it.
Someone can't knock you down, steal your van and run down the street with it.
A van has an easy way to track down the owner if it is used in a fashion that is against the law. One needs only write down the license number.
I don't have to worry about someone pulling out a van if they think they are being threatened. (Even if they aren't.)
Van's don't kill someone 100 yards away if someone accidentally puts the key in it.

I think Willie Sutton could tell you why gun shops aren't robbed. That isn't where the money is.
 

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