Bi-Polar Bear wrote:For the record........
I'm just stirring the pot. I find the entire sex, control, whining, women versus men thing hilarious.
Men use sex to get close. Women have to feel close to have sex. Women use sex as a punishment/reward system. Men are cranky if they don't get sex.
Bear, no need to transfer your own past issues onto every situation. Just because it was that way for you in your first marriage does not mean it is like that in every relationship or even a majority of them.
In this situation, the most obvious cause of the lack of sex interest is the 4 children. Every woman has pointed that out because every woman who has had children, especially more than one, knows what it can do to your sex drive if you let it. For some reason, you prefer the explanation that the evil wife is witholding to punish her husband or to get something she wants. That is total bs, IMO, and I think you know it.