At least 20+ dead students in Virginia Tech; shooter dead

CalamityJane wrote:

cerealkiller, are you reading squinny's last post? Far more people
are killed through guns.

Well, if you want to wrap gun injuries in with gun deaths to make it look worse, in the US over the last 5 yrs, an average of 2,867,000 people per year have been given medical treatment due to traffic related injuries.

That makes a car 30x more likely to injure you than a gun in the US.

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CerealKiller wrote:

There was a mall shooting in Utah a few months ago. Wanna know why it was so successful?

Because that mall has a sign posted which prohibits concealed guns. Who do you think pays attention to signs like that? Legally armed citizens? That mall was full of people who were known to be unarmed...and many of them died.

It finally took an off duty police officer in the food court to put the gunman down.

If that mall allowed concealed weapons, there would have been a better chance that someone closer than the off duty officer would have been able to deal with the threat before more lives were lost.

Same goes for the Va Tech tragedy today.

You're way of thinking is wrong. Had we gun control, the shooter, a
Bosnian immigrant, would not have been able to have a gun in the first
place - thus no shoot-out, no lives would have been lost.

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cerealkiller, there is no justification to carry a gun around with you, period.
Regardless what you say. Actually, your persistence in bringing up hair raising reasons why you should be allowed to carry a gun, is quite scary in itself.

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CalamityJane wrote:

cerealkiller, there is no justification to carry a gun around with you, period.
Regardless what you say. Actually, your persistence in bringing up hair raising reasons why you should be allowed to carry a gun, is quite scary in itself.

I couldn't agree with you less.

ONE civilian with a concealed weapon could have stopped this whole incident.

The campus was already a "no-gun zone", like a school zone. That means that nobody could legally carry on campus, and thus NOBODY COULD DEFEND THEMSELVES.

The answer is LESS gun control, not more.

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Thanks, Roberta. I try to be very careful about how I report things. I have about four pages of notes. Some from the media; some from talking on the phone with kids I know who go to Tech. The "young Asian man" was out there in the margin-without attribution.

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if cerealkiller is right , he must be living in the safest country in the developed world . since most countries in the developed world have much lower crime rates than the united states , i wonder if cerealkiller would enlighten us why that is so .
perhaps cerealkiller has never experienced what it feels like to live in a "safe" country .
to get an idea what that is like he might want to read aidan's entry ... but i'm not going to hold my breath .
hbg

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I guess ceral killer and his/her ilk want us to have big legal shootouts in schools with every lay man tom/dick/harry out there toting a gun and shooten' it. Yea, that will really help the violence go down. Rolling Eyes

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It's horrifying. My heart really goes out to those who are affected by this directly.

It saddens me even more to see the news coverage on this. Now they want to bring up every which issue - safety in schools here, in the States, and gun leg.

It's sooo not the time. Tasteless and - pointless. Except to move people to irrational acts and conclusions!

In the midst of such emotional turmoil is not the time to consider big issues and decisions! Shame on all who encourage it. It's manipulative and low, in my opinion.

We so need more for peace in this world. I want to hear yall.

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Steve 41oo wrote:

31 dead? !

How many more before the US wakes up and bans guns?

We will never repeal our fundamental freedoms here in America.

Steve 41oo wrote:

Or is this an argument for arming students?

College students who meet the requirements for a concealed permit -- sure.

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Steve 41oo wrote:

I actually suggested it might be an argument for arming students sarcastically.

but then right on queue

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According to gun rights activists such as Aaron Zelman of Jews For The Preservation of Firearms, VA Tech has "blood on its hands" for disarming the 21 victims who could potentially have defended themselves against the killer.

Just what sort of a country is the United States of America? Why would anyone want to live there?

It is the "free" sort of country. People who love freedom tend to like it here.

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dagmaraka wrote:

deadliest school shooting in american history. If anyone wants to proselytize about freedom to carry guns, today would be a very very bad day for that.

I disagree. The best time to defend our freedom is when people are calling out to eliminate our freedom.

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dagmaraka wrote:

gah. I'm not surprised, steve. what they don't mention is that in 66% cases, the gun is used against its owner in cases of home intrusion, or defense. 66%. That's a lot.

Balderdash!

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Steve 41oo wrote:

dagmaraka wrote:
ditto. doesn't happen anywhere else in the same extent or fashion.
no it doesnt Dag, and the reason is America's obssession with guns. (A constitutional right they say ha ha...not funny)

Our "obsession with guns" causes the shootings???

There is Constitutional right or two involved with gun ownership, yes.

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CalamityJane wrote:

Cerealkiller, so far all mass killings were committed by so called
"law abiding citizens" without prior convictions, and most of them were
young, too young to waste their lives in this manner.

You're just looking for an excuse to carry a gun.

Americans don't need to have an "excuse" if they choose to carry a gun.

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CalamityJane wrote:

Letty wrote:
Prohibition didn't work, did it. If things get banned, crazy like a fox folks will find some other way to kill.

I think it's the fear factor that drives many unstable people over the edge.

It works perfectly well in other countries, Miss Letty, why shouldn't
it in the United States?

I repeat myself, but gun control is inevitable now, it has to be done!

Prohibition doesn't work in any country.

Gun control is already a reality. We've had gun laws for quite some time.

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wandeljw wrote:

CerealKiller wrote:
Gun control is the perfect way to keep legal firearms out of the hands of law abiding citizens. What makes you think someone willing to attempt murder cares about whether his gun is legal?

Legislation to reduce the availability of guns would help.

Well, it would "help" violate America's fundamental freedoms.

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CalamityJane wrote:

Don't be ridicilous, cerealkiller, there are 300 million people in the US
and not all of them are in favor to carry a weapon. In fact, I make the
assumption that only a small part of the population would insist on
carrying a weapon, and frankly these people scare the bazooka out of
me.

Your opposition to American freedom scares the bazooka out of me.

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Letty wrote:

Let's define our terms, folks.

Gun control is not the same thing as banning. Am I right?

You have to take it on a case by case basis.

There are plenty of people who want to ban guns, and refer to it as gun control.

If a person is just calling for gun control (as if we didn't already have gun control) I assume they are talking about a ban of some sort.

My assumptions are usually right.

But there are indeed some people who say "gun control" and don't mean a ban.

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Setanta wrote:

Steve 41oo wrote:
I dont think the legislators in the US care. It seems Americans must just accept this as a feature of their lives and deaths, the lawmakers themselves being at all times immune.

It is a little more complex than just whether or not legislators "care." The NRA will provide generous support to any lawmaker who supports their anti-gun-control agenda, and will viciously and repeatedly attack anyone who supports a gun control agenda. They have lots of money, and lots of supporters who will spend their own money to support like-minded lawmakers, and attack lawmakers whom they see as the enemy.

And they have a body of voters who will vote only for whoever the NRA endorses.

This gives the NRA enormous power over moderate legislators who do not win elections by large margins. All the NRA has to do is flick a switch and a bunch of votes jump from their column into their opponent's column.

This is the reason that most of the time I only vote for candidates supported by the NRA.

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CalamityJane wrote:

Anyone who is pro guns after such a horrific crime is not in their right mind.

Either that or they care about freedom in America.

CalamityJane wrote:

Gun control is a MUST now!!

As if we didn't already have gun control?

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