realjohnboy wrote:I am hearing distant thunder about Virginiia's gun laws after this tragedy from state politicos. Why isn't involuntary commitment to a mental health facility part of the data base? Why does state law allow residents to buy one gun a month? Who needs 12 new guns a year? And the private person to private person gun sale thing is problematical.
I posted a reply to some of your points here:
http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2618101
Linked is a copy of the detention order issued by the magistrate on Cho:
Note that page 2 lists that the document as "PROCEEDINGS FOR CERTIFICATION FOR
INVOLUNTARY ADMISSSION TO A PUBLIC OR PRIVATE LICENSED MENTAL HEALTH FACILITY" and the box checked on the 1st page indicates that he was "incapable of volunteering or unwilling to volunteer for treatment"
http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2007/images/04/18/cho.pdf
oralloy wrote:realjohnboy wrote:I am hearing distant thunder about Virginiia's gun laws after this tragedy from state politicos. Why isn't involuntary commitment to a mental health facility part of the data base? Why does state law allow residents to buy one gun a month? Who needs 12 new guns a year? And the private person to private person gun sale thing is problematical.
I posted a reply to some of your points here.
Please delete that post on the other thread. You quoted me out of context or incompletely. Please remove it. Thank you. -rjb-
realjohnboy wrote:oralloy wrote:realjohnboy wrote:I am hearing distant thunder about Virginiia's gun laws after this tragedy from state politicos. Why isn't involuntary commitment to a mental health facility part of the data base? Why does state law allow residents to buy one gun a month? Who needs 12 new guns a year? And the private person to private person gun sale thing is problematical.
I posted a reply to some of your points here.
Please delete that post on the other thread. You quoted me out of context or incompletely. Please remove it. Thank you. -rjb-
I did not quote you out of context. I did respond only to the portions of your post that covered something I found worth commenting on.
I will delete it, but it should be noted that I am the only gun control debater here who has tried to respect the interests of those who do not wish to have the topic debated on this board.
Anyone who wants to complain about the gun control posts on this thread should direct their complaints to everyone else, not me.
realjohnboy wrote:Why does state law allow residents to buy one gun a month?
Because the anti-freedom lobby went on a rampage in the Virginia Legislature some time back.
realjohnboy wrote:Who needs 12 new guns a year?
What does need have to do with anything?
realjohnboy wrote:And the private person to private person gun sale thing is problematical.
True.
The NRA and the Republicans tried to pass a bill that would have solved that problem a few years back, but it was blocked by the anti-freedom lobby because it focused on actually solving the problem instead of focusing on harassing legitimate gun owners.
oralloy wrote:I did not quote you out of context.
Unless perhaps you were referring to those "gun law questions" as questions you were hearing others ask, and not your own questions.
At any rate, my response is over here where people can reference your entire post, and my response is to the questions themselves, no matter who asked them.
Ive read that people suspected something from him a while before it happened. He wrote disturbing plays and barely talked to anyone.
Reeth, welcome to A2K. Those are some of the things we've been hearing too.
Butrflynet wrote:Emily was one of the first two students who were killed in the first part of the spree. Learn more about it in
this article and
this one.
From a new email friend from the Obama campaign. Emily is her niece:
I like Obama, but I have to interject that this is a weird letter to me. I wouldn't be promoting it.
littlek wrote:Reeth, welcome to A2K. Those are some of the things we've been hearing too.
I've been wondering what he could have sent in an instant message that would make someone request that he never contact them again, but which the police determined was not a basis to take any action against him.
Hi Reeth, and welcome to A2K. I reckon the issue we are struggling over is the fact that he wrote disturbing things and barely interacted with anyone BUT is that against the law? What could have/ should have been done to help this kid or identify him as a threat?
I do see this, myself, as a expansion of isolation for a boy who apparently couldn't communicate other than by writing. I suspect he was bright to some extent, but ... thwarted.
I'm not inclined to go around blaming people. Just now, anyway.
realjohnboy wrote:Hi Reeth, and welcome to A2K. I reckon the issue we are struggling over is the fact that he wrote disturbing things and barely interacted with anyone BUT is that against the law? What could have/ should have been done to help this kid or identify him as a threat?
I was kinda thinking the same way. How to identify a threat and what to do.
I don't believe that someone gets up one day and says to themself "I think I am going to go out and shoot people and then kill myself today". There are exceptions so it may be like that. The stories that have shown these types of shooting instances have shown after the fact that some of these types of shootings were planned out in advance.
It is only my opinion of course but, I think it has a lot to do with society as a whole and what we will accept.
TTH wrote:It is only my opinion of course but, I think it has a lot to do with society as a whole and what we will accept.
I'm not following the "accept" part. Please elucidate.
Hi, Gus. I have missed seeing you around here. You mentioned that you might be in Cville, but I guess that was in jest. I said something about us having a duel on the Lawn of UVA. It was meant to be funny at the time. Not funny anymore.
Two of my employees, UVA students, asked to be excused from work the other day. Two or three students who work in my Harrisonburg store (where James Madison University is) made the same request. They all wanted to go to Blacksburg.
Give me a break Gus you know exactly what it means.
Go find an animal.
ossobuco wrote:Butrflynet wrote:Emily was one of the first two students who were killed in the first part of the spree. Learn more about it in
this article and
this one.
From a new email friend from the Obama campaign. Emily is her niece:
I like Obama, but I have to interject that this is a weird letter to me. I wouldn't be promoting it.
Well, when I need your permission before posting something, I'll remember to check with you first.
But, thanks for the advice.
Butryfly, I surely don't mind your posting it, and you, surely, don't need my advice, however sardonic your mention of that. We both know you don't, and I like your posts.
I still think it is somewhat weird, maybe more than somewhat, and no benny to Obama.
You can listen to my take on that or not, obviously. If I were an Obama volunteer, I wouldn't be promoting it. As I said, I like Obama.
I see the text as that of a contriving opportunist, and I know that sounds bald. I'm aware that has nothing to do with Obama, except he gets tagged by it.
I just don't understand how or why our society is like the way it is. Where it seems to be common now to hear of a shooting almost daily in the USA (probably many times a day)
Something is wrong. People tell me "shootings have always occurred we just didn't hear about it". I don't accept that. It was not like that when I went to school. Kids got into fist fights, not shooting fights.
I don't have the answer and I don't think there is a simple one. I do think these shootings can be curtailed.
We as individuals have the power to help stop it. I don't know how other than I don't walk away if I see something wrong.
