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@Frank Apisa,

But it's only semantics, frank.

@edgarblythe,

So, you're anti-semantic, eh?!

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Frank wrote:

THEY are believers.

That's a huge heap of bullshit, Frank.

You are asserting something you don't know.

In my mind there's no doubt that the difference between "believing there's no god" and " having no belief in god" is a very distinct one.

As an agnostic, you can't possibly know what I'm thinking but you persist in uttering that nonsense.

You are acting like a true believer and, I'd add, an extremist one.

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

Do you have an answer for the ultimate question, Frank?

Depends, Max.

What is the "ultimate question?"

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@edgarblythe,

edgarblythe wrote:

But it's only semantics, frank.

Very important semantics, Edgar.

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@timur,

timur wrote:

Frank wrote:
THEY are believers.

That's a huge heap of bullshit, Frank.

No it is not, Timur. And you should be able to disagree with me without that nonsense.

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You are asserting something you don't know.

I KNOW there is a difference between saying "I do not believe gods exist" and "I believe gods do not exist."

One is talking about what someone does NOT believe. The other is talking about what someone DOES believe.

If you cannot see the difference, you need to think more carefully.

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In my mind there's no doubt that the difference between "believing there's no god" and " having no belief in god" is a very distinct one.

So do I...and that is what I have been saying all along.

What is it with you?

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As an agnostic, you can't possibly know what I'm thinking but you persist in uttering that nonsense.

What are you babbling about, Timur. Where have I said anything about knowing what you are thinking?

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You are acting like a true believer and, I'd add, an extremist one.

No, I am not.

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@Frank Apisa,

The ultimate question I raised above is; "Who cares?". Who cares if there is really a difference between not believing in God and believing in no God?

Who cares?

This is two pages of a very silly argument, even by A2K standards.

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

The ultimate question I raised above is; "Who cares?". Who cares if there is really a difference between not believing in God and believing in no God?

Who cares?

This is two pages of a very silly argument, even by A2K standards.

I care, Max.

The question being discussed in this diversion is: Are people who "believe" there are no gods...doing believing.

I say...YES THEY ARE.

I am not saying that all atheists "believe" there are no gods...or that all atheists are believers.

But some are...and the people who are...who "believe" there are no gods...

...are doing "believing"...just as much as people who "believe" there is a GOD.

So...yes, it does matter.

If you think it doesn't...why are you discussing it at such length?

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When did this thread switch from straight pride to mincing words on religious or non religious beliefs.

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@glitterbag,

somewhere early, yaaaack,

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@glitterbag,

I don't see a switch. There is a very close link between religious pride and straight pride.

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@maxdancona,

Know alls care. The omniscient exist... They know you... They need you to follow.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

edgarblythe wrote:

But it's only semantics, frank.

Very important semantics, Edgar.

What's so important about it? Only a grammarian (or, perhaps, a lawyer) would find any difference between the two statements, "I do not believe in God" and "I believe there is no God." Mere laymen mortals such as most of us here understand that whichever way a person phrases that thought, it is exactly the same thought in that person's mind. And, no, I don't need to be a mind reader to know that. All I need is a modicum of common sense.

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The only semantics important enough to me refer to getting called in time for dinner.

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@Lustig Andrei,

Lustig Andrei wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

edgarblythe wrote:

But it's only semantics, frank.

Very important semantics, Edgar.

What's so important about it? Only a grammarian (or, perhaps, a lawyer) would find any difference between the two statements, "I do not believe in God" and "I believe there is no God." Mere laymen mortals such as most of us here understand that whichever way a person phrases that thought, it is exactly the same thought in that person's mind. And, no, I don't need to be a mind reader to know that. All I need is a modicum of common sense.

Well...Andy...then you are just not living up to your usual intelligence.

The entire of "weak atheism" is totally dependent upon the distinction between those two statements. In fact, there truly cannot be "weak atheism" without the distinction.

The statement "I believe there are no gods" is a direct belief...it is a pro-active position with regard to gods...namely, the belief exists that there are no gods.

The statement "I do not believe there are gods" is simply saying that the person making the statement does not have an active belief that there are gods.

That does not say that the person has a belief there are no gods...but merely that there is no belief that there are any.

I am an agnostic. I do not believe there are gods.

There most assuredly ARE people who believe there are gods...and I most assuredly am not one of them.

At the same time, I do not believe there are no gods.

There most assuredly ARE people who believe there are no gods...and I most assuredly am not one of them.

If you truly cannot see that difference...and the importance of that distinction...you are simply not looking at it carefully enough.

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It's simply impossible to get anything out of such a diatribe. It's like black and white are only black and white if you allow them to be.

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

I don't see a switch. There is a very close link between religious pride and straight pride.

Religious pride run to the extreme has forced Yazidis civilians to flee for their lives to a mountain top. Everytime folks in this country start bleating about how their religious freedoms are being taken away, think about the Middle East and all the men beheaded as ISIS persists in it's goal of genocide. Straight pride? Are you kidding me, when did anyone worry their life was in danger because they were heterosexual? No one is making a case to abolish marriage for straight people, it's just the noise you here when people start worrying about the so called "gay agenda".

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@glitterbag,

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No one is making a case to abolish marriage for straight people, it's just the noise you here when people start worrying about the so called "gay agenda".

Actually, I am making exactly that case. See the discussion earlier in this very thread.

I am against marriage.

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

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No one is making a case to abolish marriage for straight people, it's just the noise you here when people start worrying about the so called "gay agenda".

Actually, I am making exactly that case. See the discussion earlier in this very thread.

I am against marriage.

You're against marriage between hetero sexuals???? What the in Hell are you thinking. Children need stable home, you freak. You should be ashamed of yourself.

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@glitterbag,

Whatever happened to the ability to have a civil discussion.

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