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Homosexual Role Models

 
 
RexRed
 
Reply Fri 15 Aug, 2008 11:48 am
This is a thread that is difficult for me to actually write. It stems from a long time gripe I have with the gay community and the world in general.

Last night I went to a "straight" karaoke lounge that is quite upscale and there were four lesbians sitting in a booth in front of me and the guest I was with. Through most of the evening they kept belching deep guttural burps and making loud sounds that sounded like motorbikes taking off, or worse. To me this is a moderate annoyance but my guest that was with me was really upset.

This was not really a big thing to me but it reflects the underlying state of mind within the homosexual community.

I cannot even begin to write my deepest grievances. They are ever evident always in the forefront of my mind everywhere I go and everything I do is carved out and determined altered by the problems in the gay community.

The first problem is "respect"...

It is hard to ask for respect as a homosexual when there is such rampant, promiscuity, drugs, alcohol and disease in the gay community. I have hundreds of friends that I often wonder how much I really care about them anymore. They don't appear to have even cared about themselves, none the less others and the bitter last dying days of so many “friends” have taken a lasting emotional exhausting life draining toll on me.

So what would a homosexual role model be to me? Well attraction is important to me. Most often attraction comes before considering if they are a complete loser just looking for drugs and a fast track back to the mental hospital.

Most gay people lie about their health status. Nothing to look up to there either. So in order to be a good "single" homosexual role model you pretty much have to swear off all sex. Long term dating ONLY. Months turn into years, decades pass.

The problem is there are few to date that do not have problems due to the inherent lack of role models in the community. There is the fear of speaking out if you are trying to be a role model because of hatred and phobia.

So as each new generation of homosexuals come into society they are swept up by the lecherous old generation that never got it right. So the illness, drugs and disease just plague another generation over again.

Not to be racist but to compare ethnic groups with homosexuals is not really right except when people are targeted with hate. Hate is hate no matter if it is targeted toward someone of ethnicity or someone of variant sexual orientation. Did hip-hop really change the image of blacks for the better?

So assume there are no really good role models for gays, then gays have a broken image. Society does not want gays to legitimize their image. Males kissing in public, gays with children. etc.

What is the homosexual image now?

The image I see is allot of GLBT in bars doing drugs, hooting, hollering belching, burping, having sex with multiple partners, chat lines, "hook-ups" and all the diseases you can shake a stick at. The actual lingo and paraphernalia makes me want to vomit.

Do most of the gay people actually have lives? Do they go to work in chaps and drag? Yes...

I am not sure if I am going to be able to make my point here...

My point is the family issue... Yes we all know that homosexuals, they know how to have fun, but do homosexuals have a good image when it comes to domesticity?

It is this part that breaks my heart. Where is love, where is companionship, where is chastity, honesty in romance, where is true passion, were is trust, where is honor?

My idea of a great role model would be someone say, an artist who paints or draws with such a fierce desire, colorful sense of humor, bashful, good with children and reserved, gentle, spiritual.

This person does not exist, they cannot exist in the high tech commercialized meat market of the homosexual community of today. People are used and tossed out with the trash long before they can blossom into their full potential and function. They seek only a place to do their art and instead they are hooked on every drug every type of evil until they are near dead in a matter of months -- infected.. They are paid to let vultures lick Jell-O shots off their chest while their life becomes a fleeting memory that can never be obtained thereafter.

Love dies.
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Fri 15 Aug, 2008 12:08 pm
@RexRed,
One of my best friends is gay and is a teacher. He does not go to work in chaps and has never dressed in drag. He has been in a committed relationship with another man for a long time. He owns a house. He is neat, clean and well mannered. He is well groomed and makes good money. He contributes to his community by volunteering.

He is a man, plain and simple. He just happen to like other men.

And there are plenty of repulsive straights out there.
Lash
 
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Reply Fri 15 Aug, 2008 12:12 pm
@RexRed,
Rex-- there are plenty of disgusting heteros.... It worries me that you focus on the sexuality of these people, as if it has anything to do with how couth they are.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Fri 15 Aug, 2008 12:16 pm
@Bella Dea,
Bella Dea- I think that you make a good point. There are many gays who live normal, domestic lives. Problem is, that it is the flamboyant ones who give gays a bad name.

Actually, I find rude behavior, excessive displays of affection, etc. obnoxious in all couples, whether gay or straight.

Around my corner, there are two gay couples, who live across the street from one another. One of the guys in the male couple has planted the most gorgeous garden. It is the showplace of the neighborhood. As for the female couple, they have been active in many of the volunteer organizations in the neighborhood.

These are four, perfectly lovely people. What they do in the privacy of their homes is none of my concern.
FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 15 Aug, 2008 12:25 pm
@RexRed,
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Last night I went to a "straight" karaoke lounge that is quite upscale and there were four lesbians sitting in a booth in front of me and the guest I was with. Through most of the evening they kept belching deep guttural burps and making loud sounds that sounded like motorbikes taking off, or worse. To me this is a moderate annoyance but my guest that was with me was really upset.


That was me and my sister-in-law having a girls night out. Sorry we disturbed you.
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Shapeless
 
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Reply Fri 15 Aug, 2008 12:29 pm
@RexRed,
RexRed wrote:
It is hard to ask for respect as a homosexual when there is such rampant, promiscuity, drugs, alcohol and disease in the gay community.


It would be great if you really could use these as excuses for your aversion to homosexuality, but as everyone has pointed out, every single one of us knows heterosexuals who have succumbed to promiscuity, drugs, alcohol, and disease.

What I wonder about is why one needs to make excuses for one's homophobia with feeble displays of head-shaking like this. Why not just be upfront about your disgust over people different from you? What have you got to lose by calling it what it is--namely, hatred? You might not necessarily make people more sympathetic to you, but you will at least have the merit of being honest.
RexRed
 
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Reply Fri 15 Aug, 2008 12:41 pm
The success stories in the homosexual community are rare occurrence these days.

I can't speak for the heteros, they too are responsible for their own image. It is the image of gays and the reality of the community versus "ideals" that seem for the most part lost. Each community (heterosexual/homosexual) does not have to one up the other.

I guess it is just the born romantic in me that cannot let go of the ideals that possibly captivated me in the first place to this lifestyle. It is just seeing such decadence be it gay (or hetero) is disheartening. After everyone has made the rounds who is the last to know?

I need a good modern gay romance novel with a happy ending to get me off this subject. Smile

Burping, belching lesbians are ok in moderate doses. Smile
RexRed
 
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Reply Fri 15 Aug, 2008 12:51 pm
@Shapeless,
Is there an easy way to watch your friends die? Does tolerating the usurping of a lifestyle for sex and commercialism get any easier with time?

Have the words Indian and casino become synonymous? How about gays and aids? This is not hate, this is reality and I think some people should know about it.

I went to a free dental clinic in Boston and they turned me away because I don't have aids. I am 45 years old and don't have aids and for that I am punished. I felt like going out and getting the disease so I could get my teeth attended to.

Yet all the regulars at the local gay bar got the whitest smiles in town.

FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 15 Aug, 2008 12:58 pm
@RexRed,
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The success stories in the homosexual community are rare occurrence these days.


I'm afraid I can't agree. Maybe the success stories that you've heard are rare occurrences -- I think you can guess why. I personally know:
-- an overworked but brilliant software engineer who has started his own successful company and who is incredibly fun to be with but a bit more polite than I am.
-- a very good couple who run their own real estate company
-- another very nice couple who does organic farming

I don't know: Andrew Sullivan, Glenn Greenwald, or Ellen DeGeneres.

Of the people I know who are both homosexual and incredibly messed up there are two: a neighbor who can't hold a job and a childhood friend who is not quite right in the head ever since that car accident he was in as a teenager.

I think that when you don't know very many people of any particular minority group, you are more likely to project the qualities of the one or two you meet onto a whole group of people who have nothing in common with them except for this one trait.
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Shapeless
 
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Reply Fri 15 Aug, 2008 01:02 pm
@RexRed,
In just about every marginalized group I can think of, I have friends who express similar frustrations about the ways in which "decadent" members of the group ruin things for the fine, upstanding members. One of my favorite writers, John McWhorter, has made a career out of it.

The answer my friends are always given when they express these frustrations is that the state of a community is saddening only if one assumes that every member is responsible for the image of every other member, which is a ridiculous assumption. If one is not prone to believe that a heterosexual druggie is indicative of the state of the heterosexual community, then there's no reason why one has to believe that a homosexual druggie is indicative of the state of the homosexual community.
Shapeless
 
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Reply Fri 15 Aug, 2008 01:08 pm
@RexRed,
RexRed wrote:
Does tolerating the usurping of a lifestyle for sex and commercialism get any easier with time?


Who said anything about tolerating? You don't have to tolerate it if you don't want to. I'm just suggesting that you call it just that: intolerance. There's little to be gained by hiding one's intolerance behind a veneer of head-shaking over drugs and alcohol. I'm right up there with you in being saddened by friends who have succumbed to drugs and alcohol. But I save my head-shaking for the drugs and the alcohol, not for the groups that my friends associated themselves with. If you want to shake your head over the groups, at least choose something that is unique to the groups.
RexRed
 
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Reply Fri 15 Aug, 2008 01:14 pm
@Shapeless,
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Who said anything about tolerating? You don't have to tolerate it if you don't want to. I'm just suggesting that you call it just that: intolerance. There's little to be gained by hiding one's intolerance behind a veneer of head-shaking over drugs and alcohol. If you're going to shake your head over an entire group, at least choose something that is unique to that group.


Who would be your homosexual role models or heroes? Andy Warhol? Rock Hudson? Liberachi? Shall I name a few more?
Shapeless
 
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Reply Fri 15 Aug, 2008 01:20 pm
@RexRed,
Nope. I would choose my uncle, my professor/adviser from college, Stephen Sondheim, and Michael Tilson Thomas. Shall I name a few more? (I won't, because I don't want to give you the illusion that you addressed my point in my previous post.)
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RexRed
 
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Reply Fri 15 Aug, 2008 01:45 pm
a video i edited
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqwI01cfmIA
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 15 Aug, 2008 03:33 pm
@RexRed,
Rock Hudson? Liberache? Have you even been around for the last 20 years?
RexRed
 
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Reply Fri 15 Aug, 2008 04:12 pm
@nimh,
My point is that I can't relate to most of the homosexual role models of yesterday or today.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Fri 15 Aug, 2008 05:44 pm
@Shapeless,
One difference, the hetero community does not have impediments like don't ask don't tell. If there is a homosexual hero in the military we will ever hear of it. These types of impediments hurt the gay/lesbian community as a whole.
joefromchicago
 
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Reply Fri 15 Aug, 2008 06:28 pm
@RexRed,
RexRed wrote:
I am not sure if I am going to be able to make my point here...

This is the only statement you made with which I can agree unreservedly.
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Shapeless
 
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Reply Sat 16 Aug, 2008 01:09 am
@RexRed,
RexRed wrote:
One difference, the hetero community does not have impediments like don't ask don't tell. If there is a homosexual hero in the military we will ever hear of it. These types of impediments hurt the gay/lesbian community as a whole.


Amen.
OGIONIK
 
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Reply Sat 16 Aug, 2008 01:14 am
@Shapeless,
weird, most the gay people i know are so straight edges...
the most flamboyantly gay (well bi) doesnt even smoke weed, yet alone cigarettes..

And yes, no risk sex can lead to promiscuity to a level that might increase the risk of disease, but thats what condoms are for. i dont think any of my gay friends ever have sex without a condom, fear of "disease" is one of the biggest factors.

and i cant see where your first paragraph leads to disease ridden prostitutes. or whatever.
 

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