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Iran nuclear deal signed in Geneva

 
 
Reply Sun 24 Nov, 2013 06:42 am
Six powers clinch breakthrough deal curbing Iran's nuclear activity
Reuters By Parisa Hafezi and Justyna Pawlak 1 hour ago
By Parisa Hafezi and Justyna Pawlak

GENEVA (Reuters) - Iran and six world powers clinched a deal on Sunday curbing the Iranian nuclear program in exchange for initial sanctions relief, signaling the start of a game-changing rapprochement that could ease the risk of a wider Middle East war.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Sun 24 Nov, 2013 09:15 am
@Olivier5,
"Oops there goes another rubber tree plant..."
Olivier5
 
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Reply Sun 24 Nov, 2013 02:58 pm
@Foofie,
Oops there goes another sanction regime...
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farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 26 Nov, 2013 05:18 am
@Olivier5,
sounds like some reasonable things were accomplished.

Irans going to be allowed to keep enriching to levels used for nuke power and wont go beyond, I believe, 5%
They will allow unlimited inspection
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 26 Nov, 2013 05:27 am
@farmerman,
Making things harsher only works to a point. People develop a siege mentality, and it deepens their resolve. Look at London during the Blitz. If things are made better people get used to it being that way and don't want to go back.
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 26 Nov, 2013 05:50 am
@izzythepush,
They still get their nuke enrgy ability intact. If they fail to live up, the sanction will be returned and they have Israel to deal with.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 26 Nov, 2013 05:57 am
@farmerman,
One of the big problems Iran has faced isn't so much the sanctions, but fear of doing business with Iran. Medicine is a case in point, people have died from treatable conditions, not because these items are part of a embargo, but because businesses fear that they could be put on a black list for doing legitimate business with Iran, and conclude it's not worth the trouble.
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 26 Nov, 2013 06:00 am
@izzythepush,
Theres also the other part that Iran doesn't like to divulge. The regimes have always been a gnats hair away from rejection by a younger, educated, and creature comfort demanding population.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Tue 26 Nov, 2013 07:57 am
mark
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Tue 26 Nov, 2013 08:17 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
Making things harsher only works to a point. People develop a siege mentality, and it deepens their resolve. Look at London during the Blitz. If things are made better people get used to it being that way and don't want to go back.

Indeed. Another issue is that sanctions tend to deprive the population but enrich their leaders. The people with the good connections and impunity will find ways to profit from sanctions, like Saddam and his cronies did. The pasdaran are making millions.

Israel will make noise but nothing more. Their top brass are not stupid.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Tue 26 Nov, 2013 04:54 pm
Had Israel had the capability, they would have already attacked Iran's nuclear sites like they did Syria's and Iraq's. They don't, that's why they haven't.

Those sites are beyond Israel's military's reach. That's why they want the US to do it.

The "with or without you" rhetoric is merely that.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 26 Nov, 2013 05:05 pm
@InfraBlue,
I guess you have an Uncle in the Mossad.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 26 Nov, 2013 05:08 pm
Huge diplomatic success ...like the deals with North Korea.

Time will tell, but I will be utterly amazed if this deal works out the way the West wants it too.
Foofie
 
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Reply Tue 26 Nov, 2013 05:22 pm
It might make for better relations between Poland and Israel, since both found themselves the recipients of our President's changing previous administration's promises? And, both changes had to do with protection that the U.S. had previously been concerned with.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Tue 26 Nov, 2013 05:40 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
A large part of what the West wants is a stable Middle East so that oil prices don't rocket up. So far so good on this front. Whether Iran can be convinced to not develop the bomb remains to be seen but it's certainly worth trying. What do we got to lose?
Foofie
 
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Reply Tue 26 Nov, 2013 05:59 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

A large part of what the West wants is a stable Middle East so that oil prices don't rocket up. So far so good on this front. Whether Iran can be convinced to not develop the bomb remains to be seen but it's certainly worth trying. What do we got to lose?


We lose the political image of the U.S. having "character" that other nations can rely on. Nothing like feeling that one's friends are only around during the good times (read sarcastic). The result is everyone is out for themselves, since allies might then be perceived as unreliable.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Tue 26 Nov, 2013 06:29 pm
@Foofie,
Quote:
We lose the political image of the U.S. having "character" that other nations can rely on. Nothing like feeling that one's friends are only around during the good times (read sarcastic). The result is everyone is out for themselves, since allies might then be perceived as unreliable.

That would have been a danger with the status quo: sooner or later the Chinese, Russians, French or Germans would have worked to undermine the sanctions. I think Obama is showing character by going out of the US and Israel's comfort zone. Obeying the Israel lobby would be a sign of weakness.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 26 Nov, 2013 06:49 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
Had Israel had the capability, they would have already attacked Iran's nuclear sites like they did Syria's and Iraq's. They don't, that's why they haven't.

Those sites are beyond Israel's military's reach. That's why they want the US to do it.

Wrong. Israel has the capability to do it quite easily. And Israel has not been asking the US to do it.

It is the US who has asked that Israel hold off and let us handle it ourselves.

I'm sure you're hoping that this deal will break down, that Israel will be unable to bomb Iran, and that everyone else will refuse to do so. But fortunately reality will thwart you in at least two ways.

First, if this deal falls through, Iran will be bombed not only by the US, but also by France and the UK. And second, Israel is very capable of bombing Iran if everyone else suddenly refuses to do so.

And who knows. Perhaps this deal will not break down.
JTT
 
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Reply Tue 26 Nov, 2013 07:08 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
There's a lot to be said for the US's 65 plus years of terrorism against both Iran and the Koreans, isn't there, Finn?
JTT
 
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Reply Tue 26 Nov, 2013 07:12 pm
@Foofie,
Quote:
We lose the political image of the U.S. having "character" that other nations can rely on.


No one is that stupid, Foofie. The US has no friends. It has suckups. When you're the top gangster with all the machine guns what else could one expect but suckups.

So much for the fantasy that the US is something other than a rogue nation.
 

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