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Iran nuclear deal signed in Geneva

 
 
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 10 Oct, 2015 10:43 am
@parados,
parados wrote:
I am curious what the military target is in that "neat" photo you posted. It looks like a civilian housing complex.

I don't have the backstory behind the picture, but this was a smoke-generating munition that is designed to prevent the enemy from observing your movements. Actual incendiary WP would burn much hotter (which might not be apparent in the picture) and would break into many more fragments to ensure that the affected area would be covered more uniformly (which would be apparent in the picture).

I speculate that the munition hit that particular location because it was directly between some Israeli soldiers who wanted their activities obscured and some Palestinian militants who were trying to observe them.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 10 Oct, 2015 11:02 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
Wiki's article needs to be corrected. It uses vague wording and provides no reference for its claim.

What is vague about it?

The article you cited keeps switching back and forth between preemptive and preventive self defense. Some of the opposition to preventive self defense might not apply to preemptive self defense.

It looks like the article is saying that neither view can be said to be the majority view:

"In the present author’s view, it would therefore be more appropriate to argue that the crack in opinio iuris among States has widened, without, however, identifying one approach or the other as the majority view."
Olivier5
 
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Reply Sat 10 Oct, 2015 11:30 am
@oralloy,
Because he doesn't have data on scores of member states, Vanuatu, St Kitts and Lichtenstein may not necessarily have spoken on the issue.

But three out of 5 permanent members of the security council (Russia, China and France) are dead against a broadening of article 51 to cover under self-defense ANY preemptive OR preventive attacks. That's a majority of permanent UNSC members. And the governments of an overwhelming majority of world population (China, India, Indonesia, etc...) oppose such an interpretation as well.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 10 Oct, 2015 11:39 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
But three out of 5 permanent members of the security council (Russia, China and France) are dead against a broadening of article 51 to cover under self-defense ANY preemptive OR preventive attacks.

I'm surprised that the government of France would be opposed to preemptive self defense.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Sun 11 Oct, 2015 02:27 am
@oralloy,
That's basically why France stopped supporting Israel after 67: from a courageous people defending itself against aggression, the Israelis became the aggressor. Also why France rejected the Bush doctrine in Iraq. It creates precedents that undermine the UN charter and thus weaken the sense collective security that is based on the prohibition of aggression.
revelette2
 
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Reply Sun 11 Oct, 2015 07:25 am
@parados,
I right clicked his image and the properties of the address said MSNBC, pretty sure it was in 2009 of which Human Right Watch said it was used illegally in heavily dense populated areas.

Israel’s Unlawful Use of White Phosphorus in Gaza

There were similar images on other news sites. here

oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 11 Oct, 2015 07:56 am
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:
I right clicked his image and the properties of the address said MSNBC, pretty sure it was in 2009

Correct. I'd been addressing a previous claim about the 2009 conflict, and came across the picture in doing so.


revelette2 wrote:
of which Human Right Watch said it was used illegally in heavily dense populated areas.
Israel’s Unlawful Use of White Phosphorus in Gaza

Not even remotely illegal.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 11 Oct, 2015 08:16 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

revelette2 wrote:
of which Human Right Watch said it was used illegally in heavily dense populated areas.
Israel’s Unlawful Use of White Phosphorus in Gaza

Not even remotely illegal.
Only the use White Phosporus against military targets outside civilian areas is not explicitly banned by any treaty. (See: Geneva Conventions; Article 1 of Protocol III of the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons; Article II, Definitions, 9, "Purposes not Prohibited" c) - Israel, however, is not a signatory to Protocol III
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 11 Oct, 2015 09:17 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Israel, however, is not a signatory to Protocol III

Correct.

In addition, the protocol only restricts the use of the incendiary version of White Phosphorus. It does not restrict the use of smoke munitions within cities.

The US also was not a member of Protocol III until Mr. Obama entered the White House. Signing us up to the protocol was one of the first things he did as President.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 11 Oct, 2015 12:27 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
In addition, the protocol only restricts the use of the incendiary version of White Phosphorus. It does not restrict the use of smoke munitions within cities.
Quote:
Incendiary weapon” means any weapon or munition which is primarily designed to set fire to objects or to cause burn injury to persons through the action of flame, heat, or a combination thereof, produced by a chemical reaction of a substance delivered on the target.

You are not to tell now that ...
Never mind, you will.
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Sun 11 Oct, 2015 01:23 pm
@Olivier5,
But! But! Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. Bush and Chaney said so!
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 13 Oct, 2015 05:39 am
Quote:
Iran's parliament has approved a deal on its nuclear programme agreed with six world powers, state media say.

The deal was passed with 161 votes in favour, 59 against and 13 abstentions, the official IRNA news agency said.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-34513363
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 13 Oct, 2015 12:55 pm
@parados,
Quote:
I am curious what the military target is in that "neat" photo you posted. It looks like a civilian housing complex.


It very well could be. If the rocket launchers are there it is the Palestinians mistake. Israel has every right to destroy them.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 3 Nov, 2015 04:22 am
Quote:
Iran has begun to decommission uranium enrichment centrifuges in order to fulfil the nuclear deal struck with six world powers in July, its nuclear chief has announced during a visit to Japan.

Ali Akbar Salehi said initial work to reduce the number of centrifuges had started, but would take some time.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-34703490
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 13 Nov, 2015 05:42 am
Quote:
When police and judiciary officials turned up last week in north Tehran to shut down a newly opened restaurant billed as the city's first Kentucky Fried Chicken outlet, few Iranians were surprised.

To many it was obvious that the owner, who protested that his restaurant was a franchise of a Turkish company and not of the American chain, had clearly misjudged the current mood.

Iran is still far from opening up for business with the outside world.
In the past few weeks hardliners have launched a rearguard action against President Hassan Rouhani, whom they suspect of trying to steer the country towards the West and in particular the US following the recent nuclear deal.

They accuse the US, for its part, of conspiring against Iran using agents who have "infiltrated" various institutions of power to make a comeback in their country.

Anti-American rhetoric has been stepped up in all areas of public life.

And ahead of this month's annual commemoration of the storming of the US embassy in Tehran in 1979, a huge new poster appeared in central Tehran in which the famous US Iwo Jima image was manipulated to show US troops planting a flag on a hill of dead bodies.
As might be expected, the hardliners have provided no evidence to back up their claims. Instead they cite the words of their ideologue, the Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

Soon after the nuclear agreement with the US and other big powers in Vienna that sought to limit Iran's nuclear activities in return for the lifting of crippling international sanctions, he took aim at the US.

"The Americans want to use these [nuclear] talks and the agreement as a means to infiltrate Iran," Ayatollah Khamenei said at the time. "We have stopped this before and we will stop all their future attempts too. We will not allow them to infiltrate our economy or subvert our political system or our culture," he added.

Hardliners, who control many centres of power including the judiciary, the police, the Revolutionary Guard, the intelligence agencies and the state broadcaster have used their Supreme Leader's words to justify a fresh crackdown.

They have arrested several prominent journalists without saying why, although on state television their mouthpieces have accused the journalists of being "agents of US infiltration".


http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/D5EC/production/_86646745_img_3203.png

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-34793719
engineer
 
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Reply Mon 29 Feb, 2016 08:14 am
@izzythepush,
Now we see the mood of the electorate. Moderates gain sweeping victories in the legislature in the first post nuclear agreement election.
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Noman
 
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Reply Thu 6 Sep, 2018 12:12 pm
@Olivier5,
Well Obama did give Iran a billion in assets...but not a penny for our hostages held for 444 days...….
coldjoint
 
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Reply Thu 6 Sep, 2018 02:39 pm
@revelette2,

Quote:
Israel’s Unlawful Use of White Phosphorus in Gaza


Here is what they(Israel's enemies) tried and succeeded t0 pass of as phosphorus. In other words a Palestinian lie.
https://i2.wp.com/www.thomaswictor.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Medusa.jpg?resize=224%2C300
Quote:
That smoke cloud is called “the Medusa.” It’s created by the M825A1 155mm artillery shell. This American projectile is sold to Israel and fired from the M109 Howitzer, a self-propelled artillery piece.

Look at the pictures in the link and see how they did it.
http://www.thomaswictor.com/they-lied-about-white-phosphorus/
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camlok
 
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Reply Sat 8 Sep, 2018 08:36 am
@Noman,
Quote:
but not a penny for our hostages held for 444 days...….


Americans are only knowledgeable about US propaganda but they ignorant of actual history.
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