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Iran nuclear deal signed in Geneva

 
 
revelette2
 
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Reply Sun 5 Apr, 2015 09:06 am
@izzythepush,
Ok, I was just trying to think of something that would work in the end for some at the end of it, money is always involved. Perhaps the question of profits does not belong in the conversation, I don't know.

In any case, Netanyahu is already wooing the Sunday talk shows for American lawmakers not give Tehran "a free path to the bomb."

I don't think it is going to work with democrats, but then again, the republicans have been the ones receiving political support contributions from Israel.

G.O.P.’s Israel Support Deepens as Political Contributions Shift
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 5 Apr, 2015 09:20 am
I like the agreement enough to support it. I think it is an important step to winding down the American fighting over there. Because of oil, I don't think the powers will allow it to end in the foreseeable future, but we have to start a process somewhere. Might as well be this.
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rifter
 
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Reply Sun 5 Apr, 2015 08:55 pm
@revelette2,
Quote:
I don't think it is going to work with democrats, but then again, the republicans have been the ones receiving political support contributions from Israel.


Hillary already got her money from the Arabs while she was Secretary of State. And the Dems that do support Israel have to risk what is happening to Menendez.
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carloslebaron
 
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Reply Mon 6 Apr, 2015 07:29 am
The Israeli campaign insinuating a "big bad wolf Iran" around the world didn't work. Israel has nothing to offer in exchange if a war comes up and Iran destroys everything that floats in the Gulf.

The whole global economy should be affected that much that it is not worthy to mess with Iran as long as Iran has capabilities to contra-attack and cause great damage to the oil business.

On the other hand, it is notorious how easy is for some people to talk about "bombing Iran"... of course, because Iran is far away from us, like Iraq... and whatever those people may suffer won't affect us at all... sure... and here in the US, a lunatic kills 12 people, and two teenagers bomb a parade and kill 10 people and injury 50, and the whole nation trembles... and these people wishing bombing other countries play the ignorant about what is pain and suffering when foreign nations target a country and kill innocent citizens like crazy when dropping bombs.

And I ask to these people who talk about bombing other countries as if this is just a game, who do you think you are? Do you feel "superior" because you can attack and invade other countries? Just remember Vietnam, do not forget the lesson that the Vietnamese taught to the US, what goes around comes around...

Iran, as a sovereign nation has the right to update their energy power sources the way they want to do it. It doesn't matter what is the regime in power, they has that right and no other country should be imposing sanctions because that right is being applied.

We have a nuclear North Korea and the "end of the world" has never came, on the contrary, the balance must be settled, because we cannot have a worldwide similarity in political affairs. Just think about it, the UK still keeping a king, a queen, and more, and they receive a huge salary... and to tell the truth, the existence of such a monarchy is a mockery to their democratic system, and this applies to all European countries keeping monarchies in their territories.

Iran has the right to be under dictatorship, democracy, or whatever political system they want to have, at least these countries -Iran, Saudi Arabia, North Korea, etc.- are solid and show no controversy like other democratic countries keeping their kings as political influence in government affairs. or receiving money from taxpayers. Democracy is about "equality" and it can't be citizens of a democratic country receiving huge salaries without working.

As we can see, no one can judge Iran because their political system and less because their nuclear power source.

The best is to verify that such nuclear power is used for beneficial purposes, that's all. But Iran is not a "baby" to be put under control.

Israel and Iran are definitively enemies since ancestral times, and I don't think that Iranians are suicidal people in order to start a war that will cause them their own destruction, because there are several countries of the world that will support Israel in case of a war.

So, with nukes or without nukes, Iran won't attack Israel.

But, we know that Israel is a country with several mental problems, to the point that can't forget as a past event the lost of people in WW2 and they keep having the wound fresh after 70 years. a complete lunacy.

But such is their personality. This personality of Israel people is trouble for the rest of the world. These people are the ones who will provoke a war against Iran.

If the world countries must control a certain nation as a baby, is to Israel, not so Iran.

If the agreements for giving green light to Iran for nuclear power are completely settled, then Israel won't rest until Iran is destroyed, not so because Iran is a dangerous country, but because Israel is full of lunatics in power.








rifter
 
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Reply Mon 6 Apr, 2015 11:12 am
@carloslebaron,
Quote:
Israel and Iran are definitively enemies since ancestral times, and I don't think that Iranians are suicidal people in order to start a war that will cause them their own destruction, because there are several countries of the world that will support Israel in case of a war.


Quote:
Who is the 12th imam?




Quote:
Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini,father of the Islamic Revolution in Iran, was a Twelver. So is the current supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, and President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Now, what does this mean? A series of imams was appointed to carry on the Prophet Muhammad's message, they believe, ranking above all other prophets except for Muhammad himself. The 12th, Muhammad al-Mahdi, is believed by these Shiites to have been born in present-day Iraq in 869 and never to have died, only gone into hiding. Twelvers -- not other Shiites or Sunni Muslims -- believe that al-Mahdi will return as a messiah with Jesus to bring peace to the world and establish Islam as the ruling faith across the globe.


Think again.

http://worldnews.about.com/od/iran/f/12thimam.htm
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Mon 6 Apr, 2015 11:33 am
@carloslebaron,
Israel is afraid of Iran, and will not attack them. Iran is a regional power, they could destroy Israel and the IDF knows it. That's why they want the US to bomb Iran. The repukes currently advising Israel to bomb Iran are grossly misunderstanding the situation.
rifter
 
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Reply Mon 6 Apr, 2015 11:35 am
@Olivier5,
Quote:
Israel is afraid of Iran, and will not attack them.


Wrong.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Mon 6 Apr, 2015 11:40 am
@rifter,
Lol... What are they waiting for?
rifter
 
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Reply Mon 6 Apr, 2015 02:43 pm
@Olivier5,
Quote:
Lol... What are they waiting for?


More encouragement from Congress, or the next president.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Mon 6 Apr, 2015 02:47 pm
@rifter,
I guess they need all the encouragement they can get. After all it's only supposed to be a question of life and death... <giggle>
rifter
 
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Reply Mon 6 Apr, 2015 02:52 pm
@Olivier5,
Quote:
<giggle>


You can do that when what is left after the bombing nuclear plants can fit in an ash tray. Which is what most of Iran will resemble.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Mon 6 Apr, 2015 03:07 pm
@rifter,
Israel is afraid of bombing Iran. That's why they want the US to do it... Otherwise they would have done it a long time ago.

You should start a new thread: "Bombastic statements from the toilet seat".
RABEL222
 
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Reply Mon 6 Apr, 2015 04:59 pm
@Olivier5,
I might point out that if the Republicans get us into another Iraq type war for Israel the democrats will take both houses of congress and the presidency. Even though the Iraq war dident have a direct effect on most of the U S, people are getting tired of making the Koches richer with the constant wars.
rifter
 
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Reply Mon 6 Apr, 2015 07:15 pm
@RABEL222,
Quote:
I might point out that if the Republicans get us into another Iraq type war for Israel the democrats will take both houses of congress and the presidency.


I could point out that Israel is an ally. And that Republicans somehow get blamed for everything that jackass Obama has done. The public is smart enough to figure out what has or had to be done.

Also about 65% of the country supports Israel. The media shows us universities that don't. Propaganda pushed by this administration and minions.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 6 Apr, 2015 07:17 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
Israel is afraid of Iran,

Hardly.


Olivier5 wrote:
and will not attack them.

Israel won't attack now that Iran is agreeing not to develop nuclear weapons.

Had there been no agreement, Israel would have attacked if the US didn't do it first.


Olivier5 wrote:
Iran is a regional power, they could destroy Israel and the IDF knows it.

The only thing Iran could do is fire ballistic missiles at Israel. Israel could weather that if they had to.


Olivier5 wrote:
That's why they want the US to bomb Iran.

You have that backwards. It was the US who asked Israel to not bomb Iran and to let the US be in charge of the situation (including bombing if it had come to that).


Olivier5 wrote:
The repukes currently advising Israel to bomb Iran are grossly misunderstanding the situation.

Yes, but not in the way that you mean. They are misjudging the situation because Iran is agreeing to back away from their nuclear weapons program.

Israel is entirely capable of bombing Iran's nuclear facilities if they chose to do so.
oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 6 Apr, 2015 07:17 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
Lol... What are they waiting for?

The US asked Israel to not bomb Iran and to let the US be in charge of handling the situation (including bombing if it came to that).

Israel acquiesced to this request.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 6 Apr, 2015 07:17 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
Israel is afraid of bombing Iran.

Hardly.


Olivier5 wrote:
That's why they want the US to do it...

Israel did not ask the US to handle it. The US asked Israel to let the US handle it.


Olivier5 wrote:
Otherwise they would have done it a long time ago.

The fact that Israel acquiesced to our request does not mean that Israel is unwilling or unable to do the job themselves.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 7 Apr, 2015 02:56 am
@RABEL222,
Obama has made it quite clear Israel is quite safe if attacked. Israel no longer has permission to launch unwarranted attacks on other nations. This is why the warmongers and the arms industry are so upset, less death=less profit.
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revelette2
 
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Reply Tue 7 Apr, 2015 08:12 am
What they hate about the deal
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Tue 7 Apr, 2015 09:13 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
The only thing Iran could do is fire ballistic missiles at Israel. Israel could weather that if they had to.

Yes, Israel could bomb Iran. Whether it will succeed in inflicting significant damage is another question. Iran is not like Iraq. It's much bigger for a start, with a land mass 4 times larger than Iraq's. Its population is more than twice the Iraqi population, and its economy is three times larger.

Iran is also a nation state dating back to antiquity, cohesive and proud. Iraq is just a mix of territories and disparate people artificially lumped together by the Brits, with no cohesion. So there's no comparison.

Iran is not a democracy by western standards but far closer to one than Saddam's regime ever was. As a consequence, the Iranians will fight for their country tooth and nail. They won't run from the battlefield like the Iraqis always do...

If Israel bombs Iran, chances are Iraq and Syria will grant passage to the Iranian army. They already need them to fight ISIS off. ISIS is already being pounced by Iranians as we speak, so in a matter of days Iran should be in a position to launch a ground invasion of Israel from Syria, and would have the right to do so, acting in self-defense.

That's a fight the IDF is not ready for. Remember their less-than-stelar performance against Hezbollah in 2006? In this scenario, they'd have to face a modern army of hundreds of thousands, plus the Hezbollah and Iraqi Shia militias...
 

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