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Israel's Amazing Medical Breakthrough

 
 
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 7 Apr, 2013 09:04 am
@Advocate,
Don't give me that crap. You comment on my posts all the time, even going so far as to dig up long buried threads. You've made it clear we don't see eye to eye.

You also comment on Oralboy's, but only positively. You deliberately choose to ignore his overt bigotry. For what reasons I can only imagine, but there aren't any good reasons.
contrex
 
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Reply Sun 7 Apr, 2013 09:23 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
You deliberately choose to ignore his overt bigotry. For what reasons I can only imagine, but there aren't any good reasons.


It is entirely possible that Oralloy and Advocate are the same person. It wouldn't surprise me. Oralboy said, among other gems of wisdom, that the US should start nuking Italian towns after Amanda Knox was found guilty, and that the world became a better place when Meredith Kircher was killed. He is an example of a particular kind of inadequate personality that you find all over the web. They generally don't care one way or the other about the issues that they post about; they just like annoying people. Angry responses are, to them, a kind of validation.
Advocate
 
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Reply Sun 7 Apr, 2013 09:47 am
@contrex,
Are you not the low-life who first brought up the baseless bit about taking organs from dead Pal babies?

Your statement here is a just an effort to flame Oral and me, rather than intelligently discussing the issues.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 7 Apr, 2013 10:41 am
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:
Your statement here is a just an effort to flame Oral and me,


Don't you make a lovely pair.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 7 Apr, 2013 10:45 am
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:

Are you not the low-life who first brought up the baseless bit about taking organs from dead Pal babies?


Quote:
Israel has admitted pathologists harvested organs from dead Palestinians, and others, without the consent of their families.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/dec/21/israeli-pathologists-harvested-organs?INTCMP=SRCH
Moment-in-Time
 
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Reply Sun 7 Apr, 2013 04:35 pm
@izzythepush,
Hi Izzy, I thought I would print out the entire article from your link.

Quote:
Doctor admits Israeli pathologists harvested organs without consent
Ian Black, Middle East editor
The Guardian, Sunday 20 December 2009
Israel has admitted pathologists harvested organs from dead Palestinians, and others, without the consent of their families – a practice it said ended in the 1990s – it emerged at the weekend.

The admission, by the former head of the country's forensic institute, followed a furious row prompted by a Swedish newspaper reporting that Israel was killing Palestinians in order to use their organs – a charge that Israel denied and called "antisemitic".

The revelation, in a television documentary, is likely to generate anger in the Arab and Muslim world and reinforce sinister stereotypes of Israel and its attitude to Palestinians. Iran's state-run Press TV tonight reported the story, illustrated with photographs of dead or badly injured Palestinians.

Ahmed Tibi, an Israeli Arab MP, said the report incriminated the Israeli army.

The story emerged in an interview with Dr Yehuda Hiss, former head of the Abu Kabir forensic institute near Tel Aviv. The interview was conducted in 2000 by an American academic who released it because of the row between Israel and Sweden over a report in the Stockholm newspaper Aftonbladet.

Channel 2 TV reported that in the 1990s, specialists at Abu Kabir harvested skin, corneas, heart valves and bones from the bodies of Israeli soldiers, Israeli citizens, Palestinians and foreign workers, often without permission from relatives.

The Israeli military confirmed to the programme that the practice took place, but added: "This activity ended a decade ago and does not happen any longer."

Hiss said: "We started to harvest corneas ... whatever was done was highly informal. No permission was asked from the family."

However, there was no evidence that Israel had killed Palestinians to take their organs, as the Swedish paper reported. Aftonbladet quoted Palestinians as saying young men from the West Bank and Gaza Strip had been seized by the Israeli forces and their bodies returned to their families with missing organs. The interview with Hiss was released by Nancy Scheper-Hughes, professor of anthropology at the University of California-Berkeley who had conducted a study of Abu Kabir.

She was quoted by the Associated Press as saying that while Palestinians were "by a long shot" not the only ones affected, she felt the interview must be made public, because "the symbolism, you know, of taking skin of the population considered to be the enemy, [is] something, just in terms of its symbolic weight, that has to be reconsidered."

Israel demanded that Sweden condemn the Aftonbladet article, calling it an antisemitic "blood libel". Stockholm refused, saying that to so would violate freedom of speech in the country. The foreign minister then cancelled a visit to Israel, just as Sweden was taking over the EU's rotating presidency.

Hiss was removed from his post in 2004, when some details about organ harvesting were first reported, but he still works at the forensic institute.

Israel's health ministry said all harvesting was now done with permission. "The guidelines at that time were not clear," it said in a statement to Channel 2. "For the last 10 years, Abu Kabir has been working according to ethics and Jewish law."

• This article was amended on 21 December 2009. The headline was changed as it did not reflect accurately the contents of the story. Nancy Scheper-Hughes's name was misspelled as Nancy Sheppard-Hughes in the original text.
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Moment-in-Time
 
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Reply Sun 7 Apr, 2013 04:47 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
Quote:
Israel has admitted pathologists harvested organs from dead Palestinians, and others, without the consent of their families.



That reminds me, there was an article in Haaretz a few weeks ago that Israel was giving birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent ...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-gave-birth-control-to-ethiopian-jews-without-their-consent-8468800.html

I don't like using Nazi analogies but this is a case that resembles the eugenic sterilization program the Nazis used during WW2.
Advocate
 
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Reply Sun 7 Apr, 2013 06:52 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Moment-in-Time wrote:

Quote:
Quote:
Israel has admitted pathologists harvested organs from dead Palestinians, and others, without the consent of their families.



That reminds me, there was an article in Haaretz a few weeks ago that Israel was giving birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent ...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-gave-birth-control-to-ethiopian-jews-without-their-consent-8468800.html

I don't like using Nazi analogies but this is a case that resembles the eugenic sterilization program the Nazis used during WW2.


First, the harvesting of organs was from the corpses of all nationalities. It is so cute how you guys twist it to look as though only Pal corpses were involved. Second, it stopped over 20 years ago, except it is done when permission is given. Compare this with the Pals blowing up Israeli pizza parlors, buses, bingo halls, etc., killing kids and old people. It is the Pals who are the true Nazis.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 8 Apr, 2013 03:08 am
@Advocate,
Why not compare it to Israel's killing of children? The Israelis are so much better at killing children, by more than a factor of ten.

Quote:
129 Israeli children and 1,516 Palestinian children
have been killed since September 29, 2000.

“The majority of these [Palestinian] children were killed and injured while going about normal daily activities, such as going to school, playing, shopping, or simply being in their homes. Sixty-four percent of children killed during the first six months of 2003 died as a result of Israeli air and ground attacks, or from indiscriminate fire from Israeli soldiers.”

- Catherine Cook


http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/children.html#source
Advocate
 
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Reply Mon 8 Apr, 2013 08:44 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Why not compare it to Israel's killing of children? The Israelis are so much better at killing children, by more than a factor of ten.

Quote:
129 Israeli children and 1,516 Palestinian children
have been killed since September 29, 2000.

“The majority of these [Palestinian] children were killed and injured while going about normal daily activities, such as going to school, playing, shopping, or simply being in their homes. Sixty-four percent of children killed during the first six months of 2003 died as a result of Israeli air and ground attacks, or from indiscriminate fire from Israeli soldiers.”

- Catherine Cook




http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/children.html#source


Izzy, you really should look beyond anti-Israel groups for your material. The group putting this out has been, like you, consistently anti-Israel and pro-Palestinian, and works assidiously to halt US aid to Israel. Its alleged facts on, say, children dying are, at best, dubious.

What you don't consider, of course, is that the Pals target Israeli civilians. When Pal civilians die, it is due to collateral damage. For instance, in Gaza, Hamas purposely based its weaponry in schools and other civilian facilities to deter Israeli attacks and provide good propaganda for the Pals.

izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 8 Apr, 2013 09:23 am
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:
When Pal civilians die, it is due to collateral damage.


Is it ****. At the end of the day Israel is occupying the West Bank, and the occupation is brutal. That's at the centre of everything.

You need to open your eyes and look at what's really happening.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 8 Apr, 2013 09:31 am
@izzythepush,
Here's one of our mps, Gerald Kauffman, jewish and a zionist, detailing how Israel violates human rights.


"My grandmother was ill in bed when the Nazis came to her home town, a German soldier shot her dead in her bed. My grandmother did not die to provide cover for Israeli soldiers murdering Palestinian grandmothers in Gaza. The present Israeli government ruthlessly and cynically exploits the continuing guilt from gentiles over the slaughter of Jews in the Holocaust as justification for their murder of Palestinians."


Advocate
 
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Reply Mon 8 Apr, 2013 09:50 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Here's one of our mps, Gerald Kauffman, jewish and a zionist, detailing how Israel violates human rights.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEYz00MqCx0[/youtube]

"My grandmother was ill in bed when the Nazis came to her home town, a German soldier shot her dead in her bed. My grandmother did not die to provide cover for Israeli soldiers murdering Palestinian grandmothers in Gaza. The present Israeli government ruthlessly and cynically exploits the continuing guilt from gentiles over the slaughter of Jews in the Holocaust as justification for their murder of Palestinians."





Unlike the Pals, the Jewish people really value free speech, even when the speaker is going off the deep end. The MP is ridiculous, and you know it.

Israelis do not act like Nazis. Proof of this is that the Pal Israelis live in peace and prosperity, never getting a knock at the door in the night.
contrex
 
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Reply Mon 8 Apr, 2013 10:53 am
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:
assidiously


assiduously?
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 8 Apr, 2013 11:43 am
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:
Proof of this is that the Pal Israelis live in peace and prosperity,


Absolute bollocks.
contrex
 
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Reply Mon 8 Apr, 2013 12:36 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Advocate wrote:
Proof of this is that the Pal Israelis live in peace and prosperity,


Absolute bollocks.


Intermarriage is prohibited by the Jewish Halakha. In the case of mixed Arab-Jewish marriages, emotions run especially high. A 2007 opinion survey found that more than half of Israeli Jews believed intermarriage was equivalent to national treason. A group of Jewish men in the Jerusalem neighbourhood of Pisgat Ze'ev started patrolling the neighbourhood to stop Jewish women from dating Arab men. The municipality of Petah Tikva has also announced an initiative to providing a telephone hotline for friends and family to report Jewish girls who date Arab men as well as psychologists to provide counselling. The city of Kiryat Gat launched a campaign in schools to warn Jewish girls against dating local Bedouin men.

I have restricted myself to those sources that Israel's sock puppets won't label as "left wing" or "anti-Israeli", and here are a few pieces:

Israeli High Court Justice (Ret.) Theodor Or wrote in The Report by the State Commission of Inquiry into the Events of October 2000:

"The Arab citizens of Israel live in a reality in which they experience discrimination as Arabs. This inequality has been documented in a large number of professional surveys and studies, has been confirmed in court judgments and government resolutions, and has also found expression in reports by the state comptroller and in other official documents. Although the Jewish majority’s awareness of this discrimination is often quite low, it plays a central role in the sensibilities and attitudes of Arab citizens. This discrimination is widely accepted, both within the Arab sector and outside it, and by official assessments, as a chief cause of agitation."

According to the 2004 U.S. State Department Country Reports on Human Rights Practices for Israel and the Occupied Territories, the Israeli government had done "little to reduce institutional, legal, and societal discrimination against the country's Arab citizens."

The 2007 U.S. State Department Country Reports on Human Rights Practices notes that: "According to a 2005 study at Hebrew University, three times more money was invested in education of Jewish children as in Arab children."
Advocate
 
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Reply Mon 8 Apr, 2013 01:30 pm
@contrex,
Your post is not just nonsense, but is also amusing.

I wish that the Muslims were polled. You would find that 99 percent are opposed to intermarriage.
contrex
 
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Reply Mon 8 Apr, 2013 02:05 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:

Your post is not just nonsense, but is also amusing.

I wish that the Muslims were polled. You would find that 99 percent are opposed to intermarriage.


Without a poll, that is just your guess, and knowing what a hate filled bigot you are, we know how little value we need place on it, especially since the figures tell the true story: 1 in 10 marriages in Israel are mixed. Regarding the other points, in your trollish blindness you ignored Israeli High Court Justice (Ret.) Theodor Or, and the US State Department.


izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 8 Apr, 2013 02:15 pm
@contrex,
Talking bollocks is Advocate's forte. On another thread he claimed Thatcher valued the NHS.
contrex
 
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Reply Mon 8 Apr, 2013 02:50 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Talking bollocks is Advocate's forte. On another thread he claimed Thatcher valued the NHS.


He's just a troll. I bet he just chose to argue about Israel, rather than, say, Bosnia/Serbia, or India/Pakistan, or China/Taiwan, because of the bigger chance of annoying people. He's like the amazingly stupid jerks on here who love to bait "libtards". Emotionally immature. Probable overweight and unhygienic single lonely guys who masturbate in dank basements.
 

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