Republican Senate Nominee: "Legitimate" rape victims don't get pregnant

You give them more credit than I do. If they are so smart how did they get in this position?

I didn't say they were "so smart." It seems to me that you missed the point of my post entirely. I'm not going to explain it again just because you want to be obtuse about it.

It is interesting to see how many of our political leaders are upset about one Senators ignorance on sexual matters given the mis information and slanted information that passes as sex ed without a single word of objection from them.

You really don't get it, do you, hawk? It's the same position of Ryan and Romney. They're on the record as voting the same on abortion.

you really dont get it, do you CI? Both parties do their best to make sure that human sexuality scientists dont get a lick of funding, because they both want to drive human sexual behavior with their ideology rather than the truth.

From where I sit it looks like taking sexuality lessons from both D's and R's is the equivalent of taking lessons from the Taliban.

No. Thanks.

OH, where do you get the idea that democrats are trying to influence sexuality?

From where you're sitting, you seem to have blinders on all sides.

FOR THE RECORD:
I wanna repudiate the position that Mr. Akin has enunciated
and then he himself has repudiated.





David

Regarding your signature line:
I am a life-long Republican, having voted and worked for Barry Goldwater, Richard Nixon, and Ronald Reagan.
I have always supported a fully laissez faire freedom
qua women's absolute autonomy of reproduction.





David

their working with the feminists to rewrite sex law, just for starters.

You wrote,


And what might those sex laws be? Give us some details.

there has been nearly constant discussion on the subject here for the last three years, across multiple threads, we dont need another one.

Just explain some of those sex laws they're trying to push.

Is it anything like when they say "no," they mean no?

Enlighten me; I've not participated in any of those discussions.

I may have to pick my jaw up off the floor....

Come on CI we had threads running into the many thousands of posts on the subject so it would be silly indeed to take this thread off in that direction.

Go to the rape threads such as Firefly can a women ask to be rape title one.

I concur with Bill. Please take this unnecessary digression to another more appropriate thread. Or open a new thread. It's free to open a new thread ya know??

Personally it would ruin my day if I went to thread where anyone might be condoning rape or trying to defend it or worse, redefining it. If Hawkeye didn't want to talk about it here he shouldn't have brought it up by making refrences to it. Also it goes along with the ongoing conversation as well.

We sorry to ruin you day in discussions for example how a sleeping man at a party can have a woman jumped into his bed and waking him up with sex acts could still fine himself charge with raping her. Real case.

But to sum up to the question of if a woman can ask to be rape and the answer seems to be yes in how the Fireflies of the world wish to redefine rape as regret after the fact combine with any voluntary drinking or drugging one her part.

Any more info go to the damn threads where there are thousands and thousands and thousands of postings or not it up to you or CI or whoever.

You really are an argumentative sob. You know that, right?

I don't wish to redefine rape in any way. I support the current definitions of rape which are described in the sexual assault laws of every state. And those laws make it quite clear that all rapes are not "forcible" and they need not require "force", as the law defines that term, to be considered rape.

Todd Akin, and Paul Ryan as well, tried to limit the definition of rape to "forcible rape"--a rape in which the victim would be injured, battered, bruised, bleeding, etc. as evidence of her resistance and lack of consent, as well as evidence of the fact that force was used--and Akin made it clear that such "forcible rape" situations would be the only "legitimate" rapes--with the implication that all other types/claims of rape apparently should be regarded as suspect, possibly being consensual or fabricated allegations, and that would include incest and statutory rape, as well as many instances of acquaintance/date rape, which are most often not instances of "forcible" rapes, as the sexual assault laws define the term "forcible".

This type of thinking, that "forcible rapes" are more "legitimate" or real than other rapes, flies in the face of already well established rape laws in the U.S., the U.K., Canada, Europe, Australia, etc., which do not require that force be used in all assaults considered "rape", and it reflects an attempt to redefine rape within a narrow boundary that does not reflect current law or current thinking about the crime of rape. It revives the insulting and demeaning premise that, unless a female is battered, bruised, and bleeding, her claims of rape are suspect. Recognition of that essentially misogynistic and anti-female attitude is part of what provoked the present outcry against Akin, just as it had provoked an outcry in the past toward legislation promoted by both Akin and Ryan that limited abortion funding to only cases of "forcible rape".

Unfortunately, you share Todd Akin's view that some rapes are more "legitimate" or "real" than others, and you have continually promoted the view that only rapes that involve force, or the threat of force, are to be regarded as "real rapes". And there is ample evidence of your thinking on that score.

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And, it should be noted, your remarks about what you consider "real rape", and your equating it with only forcible rape, have provoked the same sort of outrage from other A2K posters as Todd Akin's comments have provoked on a national level. Why you, or Hawkeye (who has his own notions of "legitimate" or "rape-rape") want to interject your own controversial thinking regarding rape into this thread is beyond me. Unless you are trying, in some way, to offer support for Akin's thinking.

I really think you should continue this digression in the rape thread, and not here, unless you are offering your support for Akin's views.

And no, BillRM, a woman cannot "ask to be raped"--although Todd Akin might agree with you about that as well.

It would be hard for me to respond at any length to this thread.

I post to thank posters who understand.