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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 31 May, 2012 03:50 am
@hawkeye10,
I love the one case that I had posted on here before where a y0ung man was fast asleep in the back room of a party and a young woman jumped into the bed with him and waking him up to have sex with him.

Any normal young male dream event to say the least.

The next day however regretting losing her virginity on her birthday of all things in such a manner the poor guy ended up facing a full scale court marshal for rape due to her regrets and under the theory she was too under the influence to consent to sex.

No he was not found guilty but still how in the hell do you charge a man with rape when a woman jumped into his bed and begin the sex acts with him!!!!

I can just see the legal actions he should had taken

Miss I really am enjoying what you are doing to me but before we go further would you mine going to a hospital or a police station where we could get your BAC tested or at least get out of bed and prove to me you can stand on one leg for 30 seconds.

It come down to are women adults with the same level of responsibilities for their actions as men or are they children when it come to sex at least?

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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 31 May, 2012 08:27 am
@izzythepush,
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Exactly, but you're arguing with two sexual preditors whose only concern is their pursuit of pleasure.

And sexual predators disregard the entire notion of consent, or who is legally able to give consent.

So they don't care if she's dead drunk, barely conscious, sleeping, or emotionally or intellectually impaired, if they can accomplish intercourse, they will consider that "consent". The law says otherwise.

Being drunk is not an invitation to be raped.

The way to avoid a rape charge is not to have sex with a person who is incapacitated, impaired, or physically unable to resist. Most normal men have the self control, judgment, and consideration for the other person, to both understand that, and do that.

These two aging losers are indulging in mental masturbation by posting about their fantasies of drunken sex with young women. They are pathetic.

BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 31 May, 2012 08:51 am
@firefly,
Yes indeed a grown woman invited a man to her place of business after hours and have sex in her boss office at that and when she found herself in the family way with a boyfriend who can not father children she cry rape on the theory that she had too must to drink to consent to sex.

Such behaviors make a joke of victims of real rape and portrait women as children that have no duty to manage their own drinking as they are defenseless when a man offer to buy them a drink.

Men are predators and women are poor victims in your world view instead of adults that need the state to protect them from their own actions from evil men.

Amazing firefly how you are so willing to insult women in that manner.
firefly
 
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Reply Thu 31 May, 2012 08:53 am
Sometimes women are wrongly accused, and wrongly convicted, of making a false rape allegation--which was what happened to this young woman. Evidence was then discovered which showed that she was the victim of a serial rapist--and he is now expected to plead guilty to that crime.

To be tied up, blindfolded, and raped, by a stranger is truly horrific, but to then be accused, and convicted, of making a false allegation about it is a nightmare.
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April 13, 2011
Rape wasn’t a lie, Lynnwood police now say
A woman was accused of filing a false charge but new evidence has made police reopen the case.

By Eric Stevick and Diana Hefley, Herald Writers

LYNNWOOD -- Police now believe a woman they once accused of lying about a 2008 rape in a Lynnwood apartment.

Investigators then had such grave doubts about what they described as her ever-changing story, they charged her with false reporting. She wound up pleading guilty.

Now, three years later, Lynnwood police are trying to clear the woman's record after a suspected serial rapist was arrested in Colorado.

They've also reopened their old rape investigation.

"We were wrong. Everybody feels terrible about it," Lynnwood Police Chief Steve Jensen said Tuesday. "We take sexual assaults very seriously. Our investigators always get charged up to get the bad guys in these cases.

"We're doing our best to make it right," he said.

Lynnwood detectives think they have a good suspect in Marc P. O'Leary, 32. The former south Snohomish County man is jailed in Denver with his bail set at $5 million. Police say he is suspected of sexual attacks on four Denver-area women.

"I think we have a lot of strong evidence linking him to our case," Lynnwood police Cmdr. Steve Rider said Tuesday.

Detectives in 2008 didn't know about O'Leary. They interviewed the woman, then 18, several times and opened a rape investigation.

Her story changed and details appeared to be inconsistent, Jensen said. People who know the woman also spoke to detectives and expressed doubts about the woman's story, Jensen said.

The woman was charged with false reporting. She was represented by a public defender and eventually pleaded guilty in Lynnwood Municipal Court. A judge granted her a deferred sentence and she was ordered to undergo mental health counseling and pay a $500 fine. The charge was dismissed in April 2010 once the woman met all the conditions of her sentence.

"Suffice it to say, certain pieces of information just led investigators to the wrong conclusion," Rider said, declining to discuss specifics.

A few weeks ago, Lynnwood detectives received a call from authorities in Colorado.

What they heard about the serial rape suspect there convinced them they needed to board a plane to Denver. Rider and Sgt. Rod Cohnheim came back compelled to take a fresh look at the 2008 rape report.

"We developed enough information to reopen our case and it is now under investigation," Rider said.

O'Leary lived in the Mountlake Terrace area before moving to Colorado in 2009.

Detectives in Colorado provided information to the Lynnwood police that was strikingly similar to the story told by the woman in 2008. There was forensic evidence collected during the investigation in Lynnwood three years ago. Police here likely will now submit it for testing.

The woman is cooperating with Lynnwood investigators, Jensen said. She has met with the department's domestic violence advocate and also has been referred to Family and Friends of Violent Crime Victims, an Everett-based advocacy group.

"First and foremost, our priority is protecting the privacy of the victim. She doesn't want a lot of media attention thrown her way," Rider said.

The woman already has been reimbursed for the $500 fine she paid, Jensen said. Her wrongful conviction won't be expunged until a lawyer makes a motion on her behalf.

Lynnwood investigators have spoken with Snohomish County Prosecuting Attorney Mark Roe. The prosecutor's sexual assault unit has opened a file on the case. It will be up to them to decide if there is enough evidence to file charges against the suspect.

Jensen said the suspect may fall under investigation for other assaults in Washington.

The Denver Post reported that investigators say the attacker there made his victims brush their teeth and shower to destroy trace evidence. He also allegedly removed bed covers and clothing and hid their phones so they couldn't call police. Police also are reviewing photos of women, some of whom are believed to be victims, seized from O'Leary's home.
http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20110413/NEWS01/704139783


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May 30, 2012
Rapist brought from Colorado to face charges here
Marc Patrick O'Leary, currently serving a 325-year sentence in Colorado, is expected to plead guilty next week to rapes in Lynnwood and Kirkland.

By Diana Hefley, Herald Writer

EVERETT -- U.S. Marshals recently escorted a convicted rapist from a Colorado prison to Snohomish County, where the man faces charges for a 2008 attack on a Lynnwood teen.

Marc Patrick O'Leary made a brief court appearance Wednesday in Snohomish County Superior Court. He pleaded not guilty to rape, kidnapping and burglary. O'Leary is scheduled to be back in court next week and is expected to plead guilty to the Lynnwood attack and also admit to raping a 63-year-old woman in Kirkland that same year, Superior Court Judge Janice Ellis was told.

O'Leary already is serving a 325-year prison sentence for a series of sexual assaults in Colorado.

The former Mountlake Terrace man, 33, was connected to the Lynnwood rape after detectives in Colorado discovered a picture of the victim among O'Leary's belongings.

The teen had reported the rape to Lynnwood police, saying she had been tied up, blindfolded and sexually assaulted by a stranger. The armed attacker took photographs of the woman, then 18, and threatened to post them on the Internet if she went to police.

Not long after the attack, Lynnwood investigators closed the case, reporting that the woman changed her story. Lynnwood city prosecutors charged her with false reporting. She eventually pleaded guilty and was ordered to undergo mental health counseling.

Lynnwood detectives reopened the case last year after they were notified of the evidence discovered in Colorado. Police there were investigating attacks on four women. They discovered more than 400 pictures documenting sexual assaults.

As in the incidents in Washington, O'Leary took pictures of the victims and threatened to post them online if the women reported the crimes.

O'Leary reportedly told an acquaintance that he was in a secret society and entitled to have sex with whomever he wanted.

He is expected to serve out his sentences in Colorado.
http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20120530/NEWS01/705309791
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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 31 May, 2012 09:17 am
@BillRM,
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Yes indeed a grown woman invited a man to her place of business after hours and have sex in her boss office at that and when she found herself in the family way with a boyfriend who can not father children she cry rape on the theory that she had too must to drink to consent to sex.
And the fact that the man didn't even bother to use a condom--both to protect himself and his partner from STD's, and an unwanted pregnancy--and the female might not have even been aware of that, because of her inebriated state-- suggests that this was not a consensual interaction, because of her impaired condition, and that the man was, in fact, very irresponsible in his sexual behavior. Given those factors, her rape complaint was quite plausible.

No, she did not "cry rape" when she learned she was pregnant. Her rape complaint was filed some time after that, and it was the several month delay in filing her complaint that was a factor in this case and the failure to bring any charges. Considering that the man she accused was the son of the Police Chief of the NYPD, her hesitancy in filing a complaint was quite understandable. But the delay made this case impossible to adequately investigate or prosecute.

Creeps like you count on the woman not being believed because of her drunken state. And date rapists also count on the fact that most such rapes aren't even reported.

Being drunk is not an invitation to be raped. If the woman is impaired, there is no legal consent. That makes it rape. All rape is "real rape".

BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 31 May, 2012 11:51 am
@firefly,
I am always been amused that you and the Talibans view women in the same manner as poor defenseless victims waiting to be ruin by predatory males.

Of course your solution is to jail a large percent of the total male population when they do not protected women from their own lack of judgment and the Taliban solution is to not allow women to interact at all with non-family males but it all boil down to the same thing poor stupid woman did not have a clue of what she was getting into by hitting on a locally famous male on the streets and then inviting him later to had sex in her boss's office after hours.

If we follow your path of trying to force men to act as sexual guardians of women such as the one who jumped into the bed of the West Point Cadet or the one that hit on the guy on the streets and then set up a sexual get together behind her boyfriend back I think I would prefer for the wellbeing of my three grandsons that we used the Taliban solution and just not allow women to be free to make those kinds of errors in judgments.

If women wish to have the protections of being view as children then they need to be protected as children.

firefly
 
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Reply Thu 31 May, 2012 05:42 pm
@BillRM,
Look, moron, what you don't like is the fact that, far from being children, and far from being defenseless, women had the political muscle to fight for, and get, better rape laws.

The sexual assault/rape laws have now been in effect for quite some time, and, whether you like it or not, you are bound by those laws if you want to avoid being charged with rape. If you can't live within the bounds of the law, which the overwhelming majority of people can do, and do quite willingly, that's your problem. There are loads of criminal lawyers waiting for your business.

And these same laws now protect male victims of sexual assault as well, and male on male sexual assaults will now be included in the federal rape statistics--something you opposed. So much for your alleged concern for men.

You really can't sound more asinine, so why don't you just go back to watching your porn, or kiddy porn, and playing with yourself. Then you won't have to struggle with concepts you clearly don't understand--like consent.




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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jun, 2012 04:41 pm
Here is another for Bills collection of news stories about women screwing over men with false accusations, with the governments cooperation. I mean really, on the say so of one woman the government believed that an Army officer threatened to blow up the capital??!! Truly a laugh or cry moment.

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A Pierce County judge Friday signed an order dismissing the felony charges against a Joint Base Lewis-McChord lieutenant colonel who’d been accused of hiring a hit man to kill his estranged wife and his commanding officer.

Robert Underwood had maintained his innocence since his arrest in March, arguing he was the victim of a woman who made up stories about him when he rejected her romantic advances.

Prosecutors filed paperwork Friday saying they’d lost faith in the credibility of the woman, Serena Kiptoo, who was the main witness against Underwood.

Much of what she told investigators early in their investigation could not be corroborated, deputy prosecutor Neil Horibe said. In addition, evidence turned up showing Kiptoo might have had a motive to unfairly disparage Underwood, Horibe said.

Superior Court Judge Beverly Grant signed an order dismissing the three felony harassment charges against Underwood during a hearing Friday. The judge left open the possibility that prosecutors could refile the charges if they gather more evidence, but it appeared unlikely they would.

“When we charged the case, it appeared to be a provable case,” Horibe said. “Subsequent investigation showed that it was not.”

Underwood’s attorney, Philip Thornton of Tacoma, said his client has “been through the wringer” since his arrest.

Underwood was jailed for several days before making bail and being released. Even then he was confined to post and escorted by two soldiers when he went to court or to visit his attorney.

Thornton said he hopes to persuade the Army to lift the restrictions on his client now that the charges have been dismissed.

“He has no pending proceedings against him in the military,” Thornton said.

The charges came after Kiptoo told Underwood’s wife that he was making threats to have his wife and his commanding officer killed. Kiptoo also told investigators he’d threatened to kill her and that the two of them had been involved in a three-month relationship, court records state.

There also were allegations he’d threatened to blow up the state Capitol in Olympia.

Thornton said his client was never romantically involved with Kiptoo, calling her a “female acquaintance” of Underwood’s, and said she got him into trouble to punish him for rejecting her.

Cellphone records back Underwood’s contentions, Thornton added.

Kiptoo’s allegations also caused Underwood trouble in his divorce proceedings, in which he and his wife are in a bitter battle over custody of their children. He has been prohibited from interacting with his children as a result of Kiptoo’s allegations.

Read more here: http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/06/09/2174555/case-against-jblm-officer-falls.html?storylink=mrc#storylink=cpy


While not mentioned, this officers careers was certainly effected negatively as well, and he will never get that back.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jun, 2012 05:41 pm
@hawkeye10,
What to bet Hawkeye that the woman who play such games will never be charge with any crime of any type over this.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jun, 2012 06:27 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

What to bet Hawkeye that the woman who play such games will never be charge with any crime of any type over this.


You know it..........a mans life is ruined, oh well OOPS!


After all he probably deserved a ruined life for some other sin he did, for damb sure his father and Grandfather were sinners against women so she get a free pass for her abuse of this man.
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firefly
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jun, 2012 10:26 am
"Date rape" can be a violent sexual assault.
Quote:
Man Accused of Rape Goes Before Judge
June 11, 2012,
by Michelle Pekarsky

KANSAS CITY, Mo. — A man charged with raping and torturing a woman last month is scheduled to face a Jackson County judge for arraignment Monday morning.

Carey Clark is charged with Forcible Sodomy, two counts of Attempted Forcible Rape and kidnapping charges.

According to court records, Clark and the woman met at a nightclub and she agreed to go on a date with him. After Clark picked her up, she says he told her he needed to return to his home in the 5900 block of Agnes to get credit cards.

The alleged victim says she went inside with him and says Clark locked the door and punched and kicked her in the stomach and told her, ‘That’s what you get for being a whore.’
Police said Clark told the woman he hated all women and that he “wanted to kill whores.”
The victim says he then made her take off her clothes, covered her mouth with duct tape and forced her to have sex with him for the next two days, torturing her with electrical shocks from a stun gun. During her captivity, the woman told police Clark smoked PCP.

When Clark finally left the house to get something to eat, the woman said she escaped out an unlocked window, running naked to a neighbor’s house.

“She said he had her for about two days and he had stung her with a stun gun about five or six times or something like that,” said Booker Brinkley, neighbor. “And she was hungry. And he hid her clothes.”

Clark also claimed to police to be a cousin of Terry Blair, known as the serial killer who targeted women along Kansas City’s Prospect Corridor. The woman says during her captivity, Clark asked her if she remembered the women who were killed by Blair.

Prosecutors requested a bond of $150,000 cash.
http://fox4kc.com/2012/06/11/man-accused-of-rape-goes-before-judge/

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On May 10, a woman says she and 56-year-old Carey Clark were on their way to dinner, when Clark told her he had to swing by his house.

“Went on a date. That’s what people do, you know, they go on dates so one would not expect it to end as horrifically as it did,” said Jackson County Prosecutor, Jean Peters-Baker.

The victim says Clark invited her in and then locked her inside for two days, kicking her, shocking her with a stun gun, sodomizing her and threatening to kill her.

“It’s a horrendous crime. It’s a horrendous scenario for her to endure,” Peters-Baker said...

Peters-Baker sees the aid of a stranger as a positive part of this case, and the other positive part, she says, is the victim’s courage.

“She’s a very, very brave woman,” she said. “She went through a horrendous ordeal and she’s assisting fully with the prosecution of this case.”
http://fox4kc.com/2012/05/17/jackson-county-prosecutor-speaks-about-alleged-kidnapping-torture/


BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jun, 2012 12:49 pm
@firefly,
Is it not odds that none of us have any problem with real rape IE force, threat of force or involuntary drugging whether it happen on a date or whether it is a stranger on the streets and yet you posted such happenings as if anyone question that real rape can happen on a date.

The problem we had here is redefining rape in such a manner as to take the adulthoods/responsibilities of grown women away from them and placed some odd duty to act as the sexual guardians on their male sexual partners.

Oh, and of course leveling knowingly false charges of rape on a man is every bit as evil as a man raping a woman and should be punish to the same degree not a slap on the wrist at worst.
firefly
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jun, 2012 02:31 pm
@BillRM,
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The problem we had here is redefining rape in such a manner as to take the adulthoods/responsibilities of grown women away from them and placed some odd duty to act as the sexual guardians on their male sexual partners.

Men have no such "odd duty" to act as anyone "sexual guardians". But you seem to feel that behaving lawfully is particularly burdensome for men--or at least for you-- which is generally why you seek to blame the victim, regardless of the crime being discussed. Most men, unlike you, are not sociopathic. They do not violate the sexual assault laws, and they have no problems functioning within the boundaries of those laws.

Your complaint is that men will be charged and prosecuted when they violate the sexual assault/rape laws. Well, they will also be charged and prosecuted for violating all other criminal laws as well. Being male does not mean you get a free pass to violate criminal laws.

All rape is "real rape"--it is not up to you to redefine the laws. And those real rapes reported in the federal crime statistics will now include the numbers of male on male sexual assaults --something else you also opposed.

Your real problem is that no one really gives a damn what you think regarding this issue. Your mindless harping couldn't be less significant.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jun, 2012 04:46 pm
@firefly,
Let see having the man responsible for judging his adult female partner fitness to consent to sex due to her own voluntary actions with a rape conviction hanging over his head with no firm guidelines if she regret the sex afterward but placing no repeat no similar duty on the woman toward the man is indeed making her a second class citizen compare to a man.

One of the lessons most of us are taught once we become adults is that we are responsible for our own actions and our own judgments and that include picking sexual partners or taking actions that decrease our judgments in all areas of life.

Next as a citizen I have every right to judge our legal system and complain when it had gone off the rail in my opinion.

Then as a possible jury member on any trial dealing with the now crazy rape due to regret laws I will cheerfully exercise my right of jury nullification.
firefly
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jun, 2012 05:00 pm
@BillRM,
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One of the lessons most of us are taught once we become adults is that we are responsible for our own actions and our own judgments and that include picking sexual partners

Correct. And when men, or women, violate the sexual assault/rape laws they risk being charged, prosecuted, and convicted, for violating those laws, because they are held responsible for their actions.

When you pick a sexual partner who cannot legally consent, you certainly do risk getting yourself in a great deal of legal difficulty for violating the sexual assault/rape laws.

If someone steals property from you while you are drunk, that doesn't mean your drunken state implied consent for them to take your property, or that they are any less guilty of stealing from you because you were drunk. The sexual assault/rape laws are no different. If you don't have legal consent, you are violating the law and you should be held legally responsible for your actions.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jun, 2012 05:48 pm
@firefly,
That the problem you are taking away the right to consent from adult women and my comment is how dare you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

An adult have a right to drink and the right to consent to sex and both drink and consent to sex also.

The law is so crazy a man can go out with two women on two nights and have sex with them when they happen to have the same BAC.

One is happy and have no regret so no rape had occur however the one is unhappy and have regrets the next day or the next month so it is now rape.

Rape or no rape have now no connections to his actions but the two women feelings after the fact and that on it face is crazy.
firefly
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jun, 2012 06:34 pm
@BillRM,
I suggest you read the sexual assault/rape laws of your state so you know what those laws say.

You seem to have no familiarity with the actual sexual assault/rape laws of Florida.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jun, 2012 11:13 pm
@firefly,
I am fully aware of the state of Florida laws and how people like you are trying to move the laws in Florida and the others states so normal and consensus sex can be declare otherwise after the event at a woman whim.

Rape by not force or threat of force or drugging but rape by regrets after the event.

Be that woman an cadet who jumped into the bed of a sleeping male cadet and started a sexual encounter or a woman who came up to a locally famous man on the public streets and set up an encounter in her boss office after hours.

The first one who did not care for the fact she lost her virginity in that manner and the other who found she needed an excuse for being pregnant for her infertile boyfriend.

Oh as a footnote to your question in the title of this thread can a woman ask to be rape by your idea of what rape is or should be IE regret after the fact a woman can indeed ask to be "rape" in fact jumping into bed with a man and ask to be 'rape' or laying on her boss desk and asking to be '"rape".

firefly
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jun, 2012 08:25 am
@BillRM,
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a woman can indeed ask to be "rape" in fact jumping into bed with a man and ask to be 'rape' or laying on her boss desk and asking to be '"rape".

Really? Is that how "consent" is defined in the state of Florida? I don't think so.

As I said, you're not even aware of the sexual assault/rape laws of the state you live in.

Try dealing with reality and not your fantasies of what those laws actually say. Your ignorance of actual laws is abysmal.

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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2012 12:46 pm
More taking away the rights of adults to consent to sex.

Proposed California Bill Would Make Teacher-Student Romantic Relationship a Crime
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A bill that has just been proposed by a California lawmaker has the interest of California criminal defense attorney’s; the bill would make any kind of romantic relationship between a teacher and a student, a crime. This sounds like a lawmaker’s overreaction to some of the teacher sexual abuse cases that have hit the headlines recently.

Under the proposal by Representative Kristin Olsen, teachers who are dating their students, or are in a romantic relationship with a student, would be charged with a felony crime. The teacher would be charged with a crime even if the student was an adult.

The bill is called the Safe Student Act, and would make it a felony offense for any employee of a public school system to begin any kind of sexual relationship or romantic relationship, or even have excessive communication with any student of any age, even one who is above the legal age of consent.

The bill will be part of a package of bills drafted in response to the Miramonte Elementary School sexual abuse scandal earlier this year. A veteran teacher at the school was arrested and charged with numerous crimes, after it was found that he had photographed children in various situations.

According to Representative Olsen, she was alerted to the need for legislation like this after she became aware of the James Hooker case. In that case, a 41-year-old high school teacher quit his job and left his family after he began a relationship with an 18-year-old student. The two have insisted that their sexual relationship only began after the student turned 18, and no charges have been filed against the man.

According to Olson, teachers, principals and other employees of a school are in a position of authority and power, and as such, it is important to make sure that these persons do not violate the trust that students and their parents have in them
 

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