islam and homosexuality

@Al-Fatihah,

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That makes no sense. If there's no difference in the sexual nature of attraction between men and women, then there should be no reason why a man says he is only sexually attracted to men and not women, and the same for women.

Why do you say you are only sexually attracted to women and not men?

It is your argument that fails. Some men are attracted to men. Some men are attracted to women. So what?

It was much more interesting to talk to you when you were being reasonable.

When you said that the only reason that you were against homosexuality was because you think homosexuals are incapable of loving each other, you had my interest because this is logically consistent and it meant were open minded.

Once you made it clear that this was not the only reason, this conversation got much less interesting. You are no different than the fanatic Christians I have talked to on occasion.

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@Al-Fatihah,

Sorry, Al, that's not how it works. It's your argument, you need to back it up with something more than just bare assertions.

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@maxdancona,

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Why do you say you are only sexually attracted to women and not men?

It is your argument that fails. Some men are attracted to men. Some men are attracted to women. So what?

It was much more interesting to talk to you when you were being reasonable.

When you said that the only reason that you were against homosexuality was because you think homosexuals are incapable of loving each other, you had my interest because this is logically consistent and it meant were open minded.

Once you made it clear that this was not the only reason, this conversation got much less interesting. You are no different than the fanatic Christians I have talked to on occasion.

Response: In other words, you still failed to provide the difference between the sexual nature of attraction between men and women that makes the same sex love each other sexually, but not to the opposite sex. So you clearly have no clue what you are speaking about, supported by the fact that you can't show any fault in my argument. Thus your argument fails to disprove the fact that homosexual sex is based on lust, not love.

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@joefromchicago,

To the contrary, it's your claim that my argument is dubious, not mine. So it is for you to back up your claim, which you have not. Thus proving nothing as usual.

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@Al-Fatihah,

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In other words, you still failed to provide the difference between the sexual nature of attraction between men and women that makes the same sex love each other sexually, but not to the opposite sex.

Your question doesn't make any sense to me. Let's turn it around so you can show me how you want it answered. Please answer this question.

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Please provide the difference between the sexual nature of attraction between men and men that makes the opposite sex love each other sexually, but not to the same sex.

I don't think your question makes any sense, which may be why I am having trouble answering it to your satisfaction.

The main point is simple and obvious. Some men are attracted to women, some men are attracted to men. I don't get what your point is.

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@maxdancona,

Exactly what is there not to get? It's written in simple English, so which English word are you finding difficulty in comprehending?

If a man says that he can only love another man sexually, but not a woman, then that means that there is something sexually attractive in men that's not women. So what is it?

Btw, regarding being open minded, if you are unable to provide an answer,(and you will not be able to), then if you are truly open minded, then you would say that you do not know the answer.

Therefore, you would have to agree that speaking against the argument that homosexual sex is based on lust is invalid, since you yourself can't give us the right answer to the question. If you are truly open-minded, you would at least be able to state that.

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@Al-Fatihah,

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If a man says that he can only love another man sexually, but not a woman, then that means that there is something sexually attractive in men that's not women. So what is it?

A penis.

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@maxdancona,

Yet there are men who do not find a penis sexually attractive. Which leads to the question as to what makes one man find another man's penis sexually attractive but another man does not?

Secondly, since we are discussing love and lust and you claim that the reason behind a man loving another man sexually is because of his penis, then that means that there are men who are born with the natural desire to care for a man simply because the man has a penis. Prove it. What causes a man to love another man sexually because he has a penis?

It won't be long before one realizes the flaw in such logic.

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@Al-Fatihah,

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Yet there are men who do not find a penis sexually attractive. Which leads to the question as to what makes one man find another man's penis sexually attractive but another man does not?

You can say the same thing about vaginas. There are some men who do not find a vagina sexually attractive. Which leads to the question of what makes one man find vaginas attractive but another man does not?

(Interesting side note. The spell checker doesn't think that "vaginas" is the correct plural of vagina. It suggests "vaginae". But I am going to stick with with "vaginas".)

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@Al-Fatihah,

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Secondly, since we are discussing love and lust and you claim that the reason behind a man loving another man sexually is because of his penis, then that means that there are men who are born with the natural desire to care for a man simply because the man has a penis. Prove it. What causes a man to love another man sexually because he has a penis?

Many women find men sexually attractive. Why is that? (Hint: same reason).

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@maxdancona,

Response: Questioning what makes one man find vaginas attractive but another man does not, does not answer what makes one man find another man's penis sexually attractive but another man does not. Thus you've answered nothing, and your argument fails to disprove that homosexual sex is based on lust, not love.

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@Al-Fatihah,

yawn!

Out of curiosity do you think that earth is flat?

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@maxdancona,

Response: Once again, questioning why women find men sexually attractive does not answer what causes a man to love another man sexually because he has a penis. So agaon, your inability to answer the question fails to disprove the fact that homosexual sex is based on lust, not love.

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@Al-Fatihah,

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your inability to answer the question fails to disprove the fact that homosexual sex is based on lust, not love.

Why do you keep harping on this issue when you have already said that would disapprove of homosexual sex even if it were based on love. And I have said that I approve of any sex (between consenting adults) even if it is based on lust.

This issue you are obsessed with is completely irrelevant.

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@Ragman,

Response: Perhaps if you turn your map from upside down, then maybe you to can discover whether the Earth is flat or not.

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Man this is getting nowhere.
Al-Fatihah is generally embracing Kant's philosophical concept, specifically categorical imperative, where one must "act only according to that maxim whereby you can, at the same time, will that it should become a universal law." Such theory isn't without its criticism. Nevertheless, upon such belief, homosexuality is incompatible. So, all you losers arguing with Al-Fatihah are wasting your time, since he has made it quite clear his philosophical belief and has shown to be quite adamant in his belief.

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@Val Killmore,

Val Killmore wrote:

Man this is getting nowhere.
Al-Fatihah is generally embracing Kant's philosophical concept, specifically categorical imperative, where one must "act only according to that maxim whereby you can, at the same time, will that it should become a universal law." Such theory isn't without its criticism. Nevertheless, upon such belief, homosexuality is incompatible. So, all you losers arguing with Al-Fatihah are wasting your time, since he has made it quite clear his philosophical belief and has shown to be quite adamant in his belief.

Actually, Al-Fatihah isn't embracing any philosophical concept except his own warped homophobic bias. I challenege him to quote the sura from the Quran where homosexuality is condemned as sinful. He can't. The anti-gay doctrine is a cultural bias, not a theological (or philosphic) doctrine.

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@Lustig Andrei,

Al-Fatihah is right in line with the Judeo-Christian Bible (at least parts of it).

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Unfortunately it seems... brain washing in the past generations still gets passed on, whereas reasoning powers don't.

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@Lustig Andrei,

Islam or religion in general has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that homosexuality is wrong. Knowing that homosexuality is wrong is based on common sense. It is a matter of human nature, not culture. One can easily understand homosexuality by being a human and know that homosexual sex is based on lust because as a human, we can understand both love and lust equally. The fact that your ideology condones homosexuality only shines further light on your perverted and degrading thinking, not islam, and shows that such viewpoints are deribed from cultural bias.

As for verses in the Qur'an regarding homosexuality, the evidence is clear:

Do ye commit lewdness such as no people in creation (ever) committed before you? For ye practice your lusts on men in preference to women: ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds." Qur'an 7:80-81

"What! Of all creatures do ye come unto the males, and leave the wives your Lord created for you? Nay, but ye are forward folk." Qur'an 26:165.

Here, the Qur'an addresses homosexuality as being derived from lust, as well as condemning it.

The Qur'an also states:

It is He Who created you from a single person, and made his mate of like nature, in order that he might dwell with her (in love). When they are united, she bears a light burden and carries it about (unnoticed). When she grows heavy, they both pray to Allah their Lord, (saying): "If Thou givest us a goodly child, we vow we shall (ever) be grateful (7:189)

Here, the Qur'an states that man's mate is a woman, thus condoning heterosexuality.

So it is clear that the teachings of islam condones heterosexual relations and condemns homosexuality.

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