Teen who was sentence 10 years in prison for consentual sex to be released

Well, now that I think about it...perhaps you're right...I didn't mean to claim that my opinion was backed up by facts, and the other person's opinion wasn't.
It's all about perception...how we see the world.
I see it differently, is all. Not wrong or right. Different.
I get so fired up, sometimes, my clarity is sometimes clouded...like anybody else.

Ok, research, schmeserch....everyone can find evidence to support their arguments...just have to look to the documentation written by people who think like them.
Let's get one thing clear...I am a gay man. It took me a number of years, of struggle, questioning, and doubt, to finally be okay with myself. I finally have the inner peace I have always sought. So for you to assert that my acceptance of myself is folly, because what I have is a "developmental disorder" or a "hormonal imbalance" is, for lack of better terminology, "fighting words", in my mind....so, let's not go there. There has been research which has determined that homosexuality is a "normal variant"...uh, take my word for it.
In any event, I'm happy, are you?
And I noticed that you are assuming that your position(s) are correct, and that mine (and Rosie's ) are on the same side as the persecutors of Galileo (by the way, it was Copernicus, who who formulated the first explicitly heliocentric model of the solar system, not Galileo)....you know, just because you say it, doesn't make it true.

You wrote, " The research is there to show that a fetus is aware of it's impending doom and resists death by abortion. "
I find the above to be ludicrous, as no one has interviewed a fetus as to it's concept of self, much less, its' concept of doom or that of resistance, if that were at all possible. Which is why I believe it is "external" stimuli which gives an infant "context", which imparts "identity", which leads to "awareness of self"...."post partum", ok?
Instead of folks throwing about references to research and expert opinion, why not preface one's position by , "I feel, or I think that..."

Thank you, that's very kind of you to say. I have passion. I like passion.
I like passionate people. They are alive. I'd rather someone feel passionate about something than wimpy or indifferent.

I think I love you.
If you weren't gay and I wasn't a lesbian I'd ask for your hand in marriage. :p

I am in lust for you for being a lesbian. Why be a lesbian conformist. show the rest of the lesbians you are your own person, and lets make with te nekkidness.

Lol.Typical straight male response.



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typical Lesbian response :beat:

I think I love you.
If you weren't gay and I wasn't a lesbian I'd ask for your hand in marriage. :p

There is nothing wrong with the fact that your gay, you were born that way so you can hardly be blamed for acting in the manner you were created."

Like I need you to tell me...Thank you, your majesty for your permission to be .
("...acting in the manner you were created.")?????? Are you on drugs?


"The research I posed was from Oregon State University, not some wackjob. It was paid for by the government and my a farming group who was looking for a way to know if the ram was gonna be gay before it was born to avoid purchasing gay rams to breed.

the results were as I claimed."

Ooooooh. "Oregon State University"!!!! Now there's the paragon of scientific endeavor, and, no doubt, the bastion and repository of "the better research" higher institutions of learning have to offer. And I can see how rams are analogous to human beings (Aries).........Not!
This is no debate...this is propaganda "saber rattling"....
Like I said before...anyone can find documentation which supports their own arguments. different schools of thought. But where is your documentation...other than "name dropping"?


"We could learn through further research something else entirely, but for now that is what we know and it's not bad considering that the prior educated mindset was that it was a personal choice which dammed you to a lake of fire... *shutter*"

Huh? What?

"you must (I feel) research every stance you have. I have done research on the stance I have just made in the previous sentence and found that people who do research are generally better educated for debate. "

Uh, yeah, right.

"I do not generally say I feel unless I am referring to a subject which I am not educated on."

Uh,....that would be "you"...my opinion, predicated on "what I feel", is not bounden by my ignorance...if I don't know something...I don't comment, at all. "better to be thought a fool, than to open ones' mouth and remove all doubt".

"and of course you can't interview a Fetus, but by your logic forensic science should also be thrown out. Can't interview dead people either ya know."

The twain are not related....the focus was on fetuses, which respond to certain stimuli, but whether or not are capable of sensation (i.e. pain, or conversely, pleasure), the jury remains out. But you're free to believe whatever.

"During saline abortion the baby attempts to move away from the solution, showing both fear and pain. Things that pro abortion activists don't want you to know. But do we learn that in school? No, it's been repressed information, just like evolution once was."

OMG...don't tell me you're one of those "creationists", who want to debate evolution v. creationism? You really believe dinosaurs and man "co-existed", as represented in that insane waste of good money for the Creation Museum, in Kentucky???
Then carbon dating is a figment of folks imagination, right?
And forget about the KT boundary, which illustrates, eloquently, the fossil record implying the extinction of dinosaurs, some 65 million years ago, long before present day mammals( of which man is one) even existed.

"so to sum it all up

"The unexamined life is not worth living"

So what does the F.Y.P.M. mean?

In response to AARONSONGS terrible use of Conflictingviews quote feature:

OSU is actually one of the foremost respected places of study for Agriculture in the world, that's why they were selected to do the study

you asked for proof? I posted information on the study, the proof was given. I can't provide you with information to sway your opinion if you will not consider what I provide. Neither can you reply to sources by siting that I have provided none.

pure speculation, you put aside rational scientific research to continue your unfounded opinions.

The study was on what makes a gay ram gay. The results matched the 1991 study which was conducted on humans. Providing evidence that the cause (at least in mammals) is across the board.

I would ask you to give me the same level of scientific research and discorvery to support your position as I have given you.

Mind you I've attacked you in no way, I'm simply showing you accredited research. And while you feel it's "flimsy" the experts in the respective fields things it's very much build on a sound foundation of logic and science.

again, do you have any research to back up your claims?

The only thing I hear you saying is that "off the top of your head" you're smart enough to know that years of study by the federal government and reputable institutions of higher learning are below your uneducated opinion.

Your points are not backed by logical research, so you have made no points. The fact that you do not want to believe does not make it so. And as I have mentioned several times in this thread there was a study done on humans in 1991 and it matched the study done on Rams.

and my failure to use spellcheck does nothing to weaken the validity of scientific study, say it with me children, "grasping at straws"

go ahead and reply with "I think blah blah blah"

everyone has an opinion, I'm interested in what research tells me