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Teen who was sentence 10 years in prison for consentual sex to be released

 
 
rugonnacry
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jun, 2007 07:00 pm
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;21180 wrote:
that fact that we're even talking about their race is what's sad

I would advocate that something legally (albeit very minor like probation) should be done because they filmed it, technically producing child pornography. But this is very different from an actual "child porn" case and must be treated that way.

Teen sexuality (so long as it doesn't brake laws of consent) is a matter which should be largely left in the home



Or the back seat of the car
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One Man Clan
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jun, 2007 07:08 pm
@Reagaknight,
Reagaknight;20612 wrote:
You know what? They'll probably end up in jail that long anyway, if the lack of parent presence to stop that is a factor, may as well get a head start.


Oh, that's stupid.

Keep him in because of crimes he MIGHT commit in the future.
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aaronssongs
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jun, 2007 01:08 am
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;21180 wrote:
that fact that we're even talking about their race is what's sad

I would advocate that something legally (albeit very minor like probation) should be done because they filmed it, technically producing child pornography. But this is very different from an actual "child porn" case and must be treated that way.

Teen sexuality (so long as it doesn't brake laws of consent) is a matter which should be largely left in the home


What? I cannot believe you said that. It's "sad that we're even talking about their race"?????? That's what this is all about...is "race". There are definitely 4 kinds of justice...there is black justice (which is sometimes known as POC...People of Color Justice) and there is "white justice"...there is "rich justice" and there is "poor justice".
O.J. Simpson benefitted from, (strangely enough) "white and rich justice"...(details need not be delved into, as they are apparent.)
This poor young boy, who had a promising athletic career, unfolding, had it all shot to hell, for poor judgement...had he been a rich white kid (or even a poor white kid) he would have gotten a slap on the wrist, and remanded to his parents (who probably would have taken him out for an ice cream)..instead, because "black lives" are not seen to have the same value as "white lives"...he was thrown into the criminal justice system...amongst hardened criminals, perhaps having to fear for his own life or well-being...career and life ruined, for what should have been, and is now, a "misdemeanor"...justice deferred. And the irony of it all, is his release is being appealled by a "black" atty general....misguided and somebody's pet dog, undoubtably, looking for a pat on the head...or some political bone.
socalgolfguy
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jun, 2007 09:59 am
@STNGfan,
I heard that is was a group of athletes from school that passed her around among them. If that is the case, I say they all should have gone to jail - and if she was a willing participant, so should she.
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Silverchild79
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jun, 2007 10:09 am
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;21271 wrote:
What? I cannot believe you said that. It's "sad that we're even talking about their race"?????? That's what this is all about...is "race". There are definitely 4 kinds of justice...there is black justice (which is sometimes known as POC...People of Color Justice) and there is "white justice"...there is "rich justice" and there is "poor justice".
O.J. Simpson benefitted from, (strangely enough) "white and rich justice"...(details need not be delved into, as they are apparent.)
This poor young boy, who had a promising athletic career, unfolding, had it all shot to hell, for poor judgement...had he been a rich white kid (or even a poor white kid) he would have gotten a slap on the wrist, and remanded to his parents (who probably would have taken him out for an ice cream)..instead, because "black lives" are not seen to have the same value as "white lives"...he was thrown into the criminal justice system...amongst hardened criminals, perhaps having to fear for his own life or well-being...career and life ruined, for what should have been, and is now, a "misdemeanor"...justice deferred. And the irony of it all, is his release is being appealled by a "black" atty general....misguided and somebody's pet dog, undoubtably, looking for a pat on the head...or some political bone.


And the Duke Lacrosse players suffered the same fate

my point is that if Justice is blind then the amount of Melatonin in your skin really shouldn't matter one way or the other.

After Duke we learned that the race card cuts both ways, it must be put away entirely if we are to get to the next step in the evolution of our culture

(for those not up on their Duke scandal, DA Nifong (sp?) was running against a Black Women in an election when the incident occurred)
briansol
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jun, 2007 11:15 am
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;21180 wrote:
that fact that we're even talking about their race is what's sad


:werd:

who HASN'T done something like this?

hell, when i was in highschool, i was a senior dating a junior.
i was 18. she was 17.

that's illegal.

i should be in jail too then.


it's bullshit IMO. let 'em out.
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aaronssongs
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jun, 2007 11:49 am
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;21323 wrote:
And the Duke Lacrosse players suffered the same fate

my point is that if Justice is blind then the amount of Melatonin in your skin really shouldn't matter one way or the other.

After Duke we learned that the race card cuts both ways, it must be put away entirely if we are to get to the next step in the evolution of our culture

(for those not up on their Duke scandal, DA Nifong (sp?) was running against a Black Women in an election when the incident occurred)



Precisely my point...Justice is, indeed, "supposed" to be blind. It seldom is.
What happened to the Duke Lacrosse players was "unfortunate", however, it happens, with a frequency that is uncomparable , to persons of color. The reason for the outrage and the backlash, is, due to, in large part, because of its' rarity. The rush to judgement impacts persons of color, negatively, much more than "whites"....case in point. Susan Smith, who didn't want the baggage of two children to interfere with her relationship with her new boyfriend, murdered her two sons, and blamed their disappearance on "a black man"....the public was "all too willing" to believe her, and several individuals fitting the false description she gave, had to undergo the indignity of questioning and the disruption of their lives, for her lies. Do you really think that anyone apologized to them for the error? Think again...it doesn't happen, in real life.
The amount of melanin in your skin "shouldn't matter", but time and time and time again, forces and the powers that be, prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that it, "indeed" matters. Shameful, in this, the year of our Lord, 2007.


And how uttterly irresponsible for you to reprint the following:


Democrats: Brave enough to kill our unborn children, just not brave enough to fight our enemies.
PROPAGANDA, PURE AND SIMPLE
Trust me, the contempt with which you hold for Democrats, pales in comparison to the contempt I harbor for Republicans, I assure you.

IMHO Fetuses are not unborn children...they are developing, "potential" life, which cannot sustain themselves without the mother, until the last couple of months pregnancy. And the decision to terminate pregnancy, should be the sole decision of the woman, and between her and God...certainly not pundits, with agendas.

And if you think that among our troops that are in harm's way, that there are no Democratic sympathizers, you are sadly mistaken. In fact, you are delusional.
Silverchild79
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jun, 2007 11:56 am
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;21348 wrote:

IMHO Fetuses are not unborn children...they are developing, "potential" life, which cannot sustain themselves without the mother, until the last couple of months pregnancy. And the decision to terminate pregnancy, should be the sole decision of the woman, and between her and God...certainly not pundits, with agendas.


humble indeed

do some research on how fetus's react to the individual stimuli during an abortion. You'll find they are more aware then you think and actually resist the procedure (referring to the saline type abortion)

just as the far right christians don't want you asking questions about creation and evolution the far left secularists don't want you asking questions about the specifics of abortion or what we've recently learned about homosexuality being a developmental disability.
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aaronssongs
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jun, 2007 12:13 pm
@STNGfan,
OH, YOU REALLY HAVE BEEN DIPPING IN THE KOOL AID.
I AM NOT HERE TO CHANGE YOUR ARCANE AND DISTORTED VISION OF THE WORLD...I CAN'T
BUT YOU ARE NO AUTHORITY, AND HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING FOR SURE ALL THAT YOU HAVE STATED (MORE THAN LIKELY, YOU READ IT SOMEWHERE), AND FOR ALL YOUR ARGUMENTS, I COULD FIND REFERENCES TO DESTROY YOUR PREMISES ( HAD I THE TIME OR THE MIND)....SINCE I DON'T...I'LL LEAVE YOU WHERE YOU'RE AT...IN THE SAD STATE YOU'RE IN.
"DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITY", INDEED! LOLOL
KEEP DRINKING THE KOOL-AID


"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who has said it, not even if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense" - Buddha
Reagaknight
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jun, 2007 12:24 pm
@STNGfan,
Let it all out... Have you looked in a woman's uterus and poked a fetus lately? So why exactly do you distrust that? You are hardly any authority either.
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socalgolfguy
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jun, 2007 12:29 pm
@STNGfan,
Aaron -

Quote:
IMHO Fetuses are not unborn children...they are developing, "potential" life, which cannot sustain themselves without the mother, until the last couple of months pregnancy. And the decision to terminate pregnancy, should be the sole decision of the woman, and between her and God...certainly not pundits, with agendas.


What about the father? Where does he fall in the decision making? Personna non grata, I suspect.
Silverchild79
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jun, 2007 12:31 pm
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;21354 wrote:
OH, YOU REALLY HAVE BEEN DIPPING IN THE KOOL AID.
I AM NOT HERE TO CHANGE YOUR ARCANE AND DISTORTED VISION OF THE WORLD...I CAN'T
BUT YOU ARE NO AUTHORITY, AND HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING FOR SURE ALL THAT YOU HAVE STATED (MORE THAN LIKELY, YOU READ IT SOMEWHERE), AND FOR ALL YOUR ARGUMENTS, I COULD FIND REFERENCES TO DESTROY YOUR PREMISES ( HAD I THE TIME OR THE MIND)....SINCE I DON'T...I'LL LEAVE YOU WHERE YOU'RE AT...IN THE SAD STATE YOU'RE IN.
"DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITY", INDEED! LOLOL
KEEP DRINKING THE KOOL-AID


"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who has said it, not even if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense" - Buddha


mind the caps lock, forums rules

and I was referring to the study done by Oregon State University on rams

It found that Homosexual Male Rams brains failed to develop the section of the brain that regulates natural sexual attraction. This led to Adult Homosexual male Rams having what would be refered to by any medical standard as a developmental disorder of the brain.

This matches a similar study done on the brains of human AIDS victims in the 1990's

here's the link

U.S. study of gay sheep may shed light on sexuality - Wikinews

and BTW, thank you for providing a clear illustration of how the far left doesn't want you to question homosexuality...

Whether you're Christian and you question reason based on faith, or your Atheist and you question reason based on the way you want to live your life; questioning reason, study, and what can be learned from it is ignorant and wrong. Regardless of which "side" gets their feeling hurt by what we discover...
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aaronssongs
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jun, 2007 01:17 pm
@socalgolfguy,
socalgolfguy;21358 wrote:
Aaron -



What about the father? Where does he fall in the decision making? Personna non grata, I suspect.


Most of my argument is, of course, sustainable with single mothers in mind.
If the father is available and a willing partner in care and nuture of the "child-to-be", then, by all means, his voice is necessary and desired, and he should have equal say.
Ofttimes, the father is unavalable, or an "unwilling" partner...in which case, the responsibility is solely the woman's.
In case anyone was wondering...I am not in favor of abortions...I think prevention (care and caution) beats cure, any day of the week. I think it should be the road less travelled, and a last resort. However, I believe it should be on the woman's conscience, and of no one's business, except hers and her family and friends/supporters.... the decision should not be up to moralists, the public-at-large, or the government.
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rugonnacry
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jun, 2007 06:40 pm
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;21354 wrote:
OH, YOU REALLY HAVE BEEN DIPPING IN THE KOOL AID.
I AM NOT HERE TO CHANGE YOUR ARCANE AND DISTORTED VISION OF THE WORLD...I CAN'T
BUT YOU ARE NO AUTHORITY, AND HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING FOR SURE ALL THAT YOU HAVE STATED (MORE THAN LIKELY, YOU READ IT SOMEWHERE), AND FOR ALL YOUR ARGUMENTS, I COULD FIND REFERENCES TO DESTROY YOUR PREMISES ( HAD I THE TIME OR THE MIND)....SINCE I DON'T...I'LL LEAVE YOU WHERE YOU'RE AT...IN THE SAD STATE YOU'RE IN.
"DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITY", INDEED! LOLOL
KEEP DRINKING THE KOOL-AID


"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who has said it, not even if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense" - Buddha



So your sayihng you cant find any?
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aaronssongs
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jun, 2007 07:55 pm
@STNGfan,
No, not saying that at all....just saying, I'm not going to spend time researching, in order to convince someone that they're wrong and I'm right. It not about wrong or right. People believe whatever they choose to believe, for various and sundry reasons.
Silverchild79, asked me to do some research on fetuses reactions to stimuli during abortions...I qualified my feelings about abortion in a subsequent posting...I do not favor abortions. But I believe it to be a decision left up to the woman involved, and no one else. If her life were in jeopardy, due to the pregnancy, would we save the fetus/child as opposed to the mother...that is a medical ethics question I cannot answer.
A lot depends on which trimester the pregnancy is in...it becomes increasingly problematic the later the pregnancy, of course.

There are those who believe homosexuality to be a "developmental disability", on one end of the spectrum, and others who believe it to be a "gift from God Almighty...and those who believe somewhere in between. Free country, believe as you like. Just be careful not to impose your beliefs on anyone else.
rugonnacry
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jun, 2007 09:01 pm
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;21448 wrote:
No, not saying that at all....just saying, I'm not going to spend time researching, in order to convince someone that they're wrong and I'm right. It not about wrong or right. People believe whatever they choose to believe, for various and sundry reasons.
Silverchild79, asked me to do some research on fetuses reactions to stimuli during abortions...I qualified my feelings about abortion in a subsequent posting...I do not favor abortions. But I believe it to be a decision left up to the woman involved, and no one else. If her life were in jeopardy, due to the pregnancy, would we save the fetus/child as opposed to the mother...that is a medical ethics question I cannot answer.
A lot depends on which trimester the pregnancy is in...it becomes increasingly problematic the later the pregnancy, of course.

There are those who believe homosexuality to be a "developmental disability", on one end of the spectrum, and others who believe it to be a "gift from God Almighty...and those who believe somewhere in between. Free country, believe as you like. Just be careful not to impose your beliefs on anyone else.



But you are claiming your OPINION is backed up by facts, this is a debate forumn. You do owe the person that you are saying is wrong, something other than a "NUH UH your wrong"
Silverchild79
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jun, 2007 11:57 pm
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;21448 wrote:
No, not saying that at all....just saying, I'm not going to spend time researching, in order to convince someone that they're wrong and I'm right. It not about wrong or right. People believe whatever they choose to believe, for various and sundry reasons.
Silverchild79, asked me to do some research on fetuses reactions to stimuli during abortions...I qualified my feelings about abortion in a subsequent posting...I do not favor abortions. But I believe it to be a decision left up to the woman involved, and no one else. If her life were in jeopardy, due to the pregnancy, would we save the fetus/child as opposed to the mother...that is a medical ethics question I cannot answer.
A lot depends on which trimester the pregnancy is in...it becomes increasingly problematic the later the pregnancy, of course.

There are those who believe homosexuality to be a "developmental disability", on one end of the spectrum, and others who believe it to be a "gift from God Almighty...and those who believe somewhere in between. Free country, believe as you like. Just be careful not to impose your beliefs on anyone else.


I myself am politically pro choice, it is a morality issue which should be settled in the home, certainly not on capitol hill or in the courts. America by the numbers is Pro Choice, and therefore it should remain legal for now. And, neither should we restrict the rights of any homosexual to join with another if they chose and reap the same benefits as a married couple (although I would not afford them the title married as I believe that's disrespectful to others religious practices).

However

We all must bow to reason and knowledge. The research is there to show that a fetus is aware of it's impending doom and resists death by abortion. There is also surfacing evidence that homosexuality is in fact a developmental disorder, a hormonal imbalance if you will. To cast what we have learned aside would be to forget the lesson we learned when man first theorized that the Earth was not the center of the Universe. He was punished for this knowledge by those who would subscribe blindly to what they thought was, without consideration for the ever expanding pallet of human knowledge. Those like Rosie O'Donnell who are critical of this information do exactly what the church did 500 years ago, they put their preconceived notions ahead of the progress of human knowledge. And in 500 years when Homosexuality and Abortion are understood to their core I believe that she will be looked upon no different then those who persecuted Galileo.

And to respond to RUGONNACRY's comment

this is a forum of debate, those who refuse to provide any substance to their stance are routinely picked clean. Forewarned is forearmed...
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jun, 2007 03:06 am
@rugonnacry,
rugonnacry;21449 wrote:
But you are claiming your OPINION is backed up by facts, this is a debate forumn. You do owe the person that you are saying is wrong, something other than a "NUH UH your wrong"


Well, now that I think about it...perhaps you're right...I didn't mean to claim that my opinion was backed up by facts, and the other person's opinion wasn't.
It's all about perception...how we see the world.
I see it differently, is all. Not wrong or right. Different.
I get so fired up, sometimes, my clarity is sometimes clouded...like anybody else.
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jun, 2007 03:47 am
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;21460 wrote:
I myself am politically pro choice, it is a morality issue which should be settled in the home, certainly not on capitol hill or in the courts. America by the numbers is Pro Choice, and therefore it should remain legal for now. And, neither should we restrict the rights of any homosexual to join with another if they chose and reap the same benefits as a married couple (although I would not afford them the title married as I believe that's disrespectful to others religious practices).

However

We all must bow to reason and knowledge. The research is there to show that a fetus is aware of it's impending doom and resists death by abortion. There is also surfacing evidence that homosexuality is in fact a developmental disorder, a hormonal imbalance if you will. To cast what we have learned aside would be to forget the lesson we learned when man first theorized that the Earth was not the center of the Universe. He was punished for this knowledge by those who would subscribe blindly to what they thought was, without consideration for the ever expanding pallet of human knowledge. Those like Rosie O'Donnell who are critical of this information do exactly what the church did 500 years ago, they put their preconceived notions ahead of the progress of human knowledge. And in 500 years when Homosexuality and Abortion are understood to their core I believe that she will be looked upon no different then those who persecuted Galileo.

And to respond to RUGONNACRY's comment

this is a forum of debate, those who refuse to provide any substance to their stance are routinely picked clean. Forewarned is forearmed...


Ok, research, schmeserch....everyone can find evidence to support their arguments...just have to look to the documentation written by people who think like them.
Let's get one thing clear...I am a gay man. It took me a number of years, of struggle, questioning, and doubt, to finally be okay with myself. I finally have the inner peace I have always sought. So for you to assert that my acceptance of myself is folly, because what I have is a "developmental disorder" or a "hormonal imbalance" is, for lack of better terminology, "fighting words", in my mind....so, let's not go there. There has been research which has determined that homosexuality is a "normal variant"...uh, take my word for it.
In any event, I'm happy, are you?
And I noticed that you are assuming that your position(s) are correct, and that mine (and Rosie's ) are on the same side as the persecutors of Galileo (by the way, it was Copernicus, who who formulated the first explicitly heliocentric model of the solar system, not Galileo)....you know, just because you say it, doesn't make it true.

You wrote, " The research is there to show that a fetus is aware of it's impending doom and resists death by abortion. "
I find the above to be ludicrous, as no one has interviewed a fetus as to it's concept of self, much less, its' concept of doom or that of resistance, if that were at all possible. Which is why I believe it is "external" stimuli which gives an infant "context", which imparts "identity", which leads to "awareness of self"...."post partum", ok?
Instead of folks throwing about references to research and expert opinion, why not preface one's position by , "I feel, or I think that..."
socalgolfguy
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jun, 2007 10:52 am
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;21461 wrote:
Well, now that I think about it...perhaps you're right...I didn't mean to claim that my opinion was backed up by facts, and the other person's opinion wasn't.
It's all about perception...how we see the world.
I see it differently, is all. Not wrong or right. Different.
I get so fired up, sometimes, my clarity is sometimes clouded...like anybody else.


Thanks for admitting this. To me, your posts are generally angry and confrontational. As an educated middle aged man, I learned long ago that you gain nothing by screaming your opinions. To make points, your arguments must be precise and cogent, stating the problems with straightforwardness and their solutions with clarity.
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