Attempt To Blow Up US Passenger Jet

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[+4] - engineer - 12/31/2009[quote="Brandon9000"] I'll admit that I don't know how to implement it, but I do know that there is a greater chance that a young man from a middle Eastern country is Muslim than there...
[+4] - engineer - 12/31/2009[quote="OmSigDAVID"] If it were up to me, we 'd do the obvious and aim at the known enemy. Racial profiling and religious profiling (to the extent practicable) are both [b]FINE[/b]....
[+4] - engineer - 12/31/2009But you said if Muslims are unhappy about being singled out and treated differently, then "let them stay out of America." Of course, they are only using their Constitutionally guaranteed...
[+4] - Thomas - 12/31/2009[quote="Finn dAbuzz"]Whether one or both instances occurred due to hyper-political correctness or sheer incompetency, in combination, they should shake if not strip our confidence in our...
[+4] - Robert Gentel - 12/31/2009[quote="engineer"]That's why I think this is a one off. Someone calls up and says they want to bomb a plane, so they give them minimum support and hope it pays off. It doesn't sound...
[+3] - Butrflynet - 12/29/2009Can we also apply this train of thought to internet security, Bill, since you are so big on computer privacy? Anyone not willing to have their emails, purchases, searches tracked by the...
[+3] - Butrflynet - 12/30/2009Actually, I'm advocating treating everyone the same and not singling out any one group for some reason for special treatment whether it is the screening techniques they are subjected to or the...
[+3] - engineer - 12/30/2009I don't have a problem with monitoring people who exhibit suspicious behavior (like paying cash, not carrying luggage or buying one way tickets.) The issue I have is with your proposal that we...
[+3] - Intrepid - 12/31/2009You totally missed the point.
[+3] - engineer - 12/31/2009[quote="Brandon9000"] You cannot win this, because you're wrong. I am not advocating poor treatment of young, Muslim men. I am advocating screening everyone, but beng generally more...

this makes zero sense....if you are going to blow an aircraft you do it at max elevation so that decompression will hopefully destroy the craft and kill everyone. Plus the "explosive" did not work.

Perhaps what we have here is an extremely stupid terrorist. Maybe it was a prankster.

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@hawkeye10,

You assume to know the intent of this person. You do not.

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I take it, from what little I read, as an advanced stupid practical joke from a person of deliquescent immaturity, possibly with rage issues.
Fix him up with the pope attacker and we have a pair made in heaven.

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@ossobuco,

I also don't know how to stop a firecracker myself. (I'm odd in that re my nightblindness I am chary on the fourth of July for good reason, having walked the beach in full out firecrackerdom, with a friend - never again. I think immediately of war but also imminent danger). So the person who leapt to contain the guy interests me. (I'm assuming it was a guy with the firecracker, read the news a while ago, maybe not). Maybe there is some easy thing, grab it and stomp, but I don't know about it.

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@Intrepid,

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You assume to know the intent of this person. You do not

I know that my government has claimed that this was an act of terrorism, I know that part of the definition of terrorism is the desire to cause maximum loss of life, and I know that blowing an aircraft at the end of the trip will not cause max loss of life.

Perhaps you should be directing your criticism towards the government, they who have already made claims of intent.

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@ossobuco,

What have you read about it being a practical joke?

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@ossobuco,

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I take it, from what little I read, as an advanced stupid practical joke from a person of deliquescent immaturity, possibly with rage issues.
Fix him up with the pope attacker and we have a pair made in heaven

Likely so. We have seen this over and over again, where some dip-**** does some stunt and our leaders are immediately all over the airwaves claiming that an act of terrorism has been averted. A day or so latter the news comes out that there was no way that any terrorism was ever going to happen, but who knows how many people catch that part.

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@hawkeye10,

We don't know the person's intent.

Given flight attendants have some strong powers with passengers who mouth back at them (which I'm not against, though on my reading, sometimes that use has been misjudged), I have seen that some talk or acts are taken as some subset of terrorism, and I think misreading a non terrorist is as dangerous in some ways (liberty) as not reading a situation correctly that has serious intent. Well, no, the misreading of the real terrorist is the big problem. Still, in the land of fear much can be misjudged.

I don't mean by that paragraph that people get to start firecrackers. Or cause drunken brawls. But I've read about people dragged off planes for exclaiming to an attendant in a way I can understand.

On this perp, I'm guessing a mess of a person, what we might call sociopathic at least for now, but not an out and out terrorist.

I've four friends who were flight attendants, 3 for Pan Am/United. They had trouble with drunks back then.. and a lot of those drunks had lit cigarettes.

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@dlowan,

Nothing, that is my first instinct. Let's see what happens if I do this..

I don't know anything about the perp, anything at all.

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@hawkeye10,

Aha, we agree on this one.
Of course, I don't know.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

Quote:
You assume to know the intent of this person. You do not

I know that my government has claimed that this was an act of terrorism, I know that part of the definition of terrorism is the desire to cause maximum loss of life, and I know that blowing an aircraft at the end of the trip will not cause max loss of life.

Perhaps you should be directing your criticism towards the government, they who have already made claims of intent.

Ossobuco wrote:

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I take it, from what little I read, as an advanced stupid practical joke from a person of deliquescent immaturity, possibly with rage issues.
Fix him up with the pope attacker and we have a pair made in heaven[
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Hawkeye answered:

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Likely so. We have seen this over and over again, where some dip-**** does some stunt and our leaders are immediately all over the airwaves claiming that an act of terrorism has been averted. A day or so latter the news comes out that there was no way that any terrorism was ever going to happen, but who knows how many people catch that part.

You seem to be covering both sides of the plate. You STILL do not know this person's intent.

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@Intrepid,

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You seem to be covering both sides of the plate. You STILL do not know this person's intent.

never claimed to know....if the government is right then this would be terrorist is incompetent, however given past performance I have a boatload of reasons to doubt the veracity if the claim made by the white house official today.

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I'm sure that if I were the government, just imagine how unorganized*, I'd hold this person and try to figure (him) out. I'll admit I haven't checked the news in a few hours.

*that's just wrong, when I get into organizing I'm good at it.

I guess I think of this as a balloon occurrence and am sorry - maybe very sorry - if it is puffed up.

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@ossobuco,

I didn't get confusion from hawkeye's posts on this.

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@ossobuco,

Intrepid has never been able to get around my advocating for greater sexual freedom for teenagers. According to him my belief about the correct course of action on this single issue makes me a monster requiring slaying.

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@hawkeye10,

I understand him and anyone else's qualms re your points.

I'll take issue by issue.

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@ossobuco,

For whatever it is worth:

Breaking News Alert
The New York Times
Fri, December 25, 2009 -- 7:14 PM ET
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U.S. Says Incident Aboard Plane Was Attempted Act of Terrorism

A passenger aboard a plane at Detroit Metropolitan Airport
apparently tried to ignite an explosive device on Friday, an
incident the United States believes was an attempted act of
terrorism, according to a White House official who asked not
to be identified.

Read More:
http://www.nytimes.com?emc=na

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@dlowan,

Well, show me the shoes.

I project this will be embarrassing.

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@ossobuco,

So, now it's a nigerian.
Hmmm.
Maybe I'm wrong re a reckless idiot.
Though, not necessarily.

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