Attempt To Blow Up US Passenger Jet

the problem about this one is that we have to rely on the security of other countries

If it were up to me, we 'd do the obvious and aim at the known enemy.
Racial profiling and religious profiling (to the extent practicable) are both FINE.
If the Moslems don 't like it, then let them stay out of America.

If it were up to me, we 'd do the obvious and aim at the known enemy.
Racial profiling and religious profiling (to the extent practicable) are both FINE.
If the Moslems don 't like it, then let them stay out of America.

So you would be fine if say the government decided to profile based on gun ownership?
Say people who advocate for gun freedom are not allowed on planes
or in government buildings. That would work for you?
After all, if they want to advocate for guns, they don't have to go in those buildings, right?

Racial profiling and religious profiling (to the extent practicable) are both FINE.

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Racial profiling and religious profiling (to the extent practicable) are both FINE.

Certainly the US military & law enforcement services have some documents how the Nazis did such - could be really helpful, "Ahnenpass", blood certificate, Nuremberg Laws and such.

But you said if Muslims are unhappy about being singled out and treated differently, then "let them stay out of America." Of course, they are only using their Constitutionally guaranteed right to practice religion and many of them were born here in the first place. If just you were subject to intensive screening at public buildings solely because you are a passionate gun owner, would you feel that a) security was enhanced by screening out potentially evil gun owners and b) it is ok because several cases of people who committed atrocities in courthouses owned guns, or would you feel that you are peacefully acting within your rights as an American and that to consider you a likely criminal because you own guns is inherently wrong and un-American?

I'm surprised that an ardent champion of second amendment rights such as yourself would not stand by someone championing his first amendment rights. Once his rights are trashed, do y0u really think yours are far behind?

OmSigDAVID wrote:

If it were up to me, we 'd do the obvious and aim at the known enemy.
Racial profiling and religious profiling (to the extent practicable) are both FINE.
If the Moslems don 't like it, then let them stay out of America.

So you would be fine if say the government decided to profile based on gun ownership? Say people who advocate for gun freedom are not allowed on planes or in government buildings. That would work for you? After all, if they want to advocate for guns, they don't have to go in those buildings, right?

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Racial profiling and religious profiling (to the extent practicable) are both FINE.

Certainly the US military & law enforcement services have some documents how the Nazis did such - could be really helpful, "Ahnenpass", blood certificate, Nuremberg Laws and such.

The Nazis put people in concentration camps and killed them. This is not very similar to what David is advocating - using the known origin of most plane bombers to decide who might receive supplementary screening sometimes.

What about a list of atheists or Jews? Would you be comfortable knowing that the US government is tracking and potentially discriminating based on this database? Do you think

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Umar had NO RIGHTS under the US Constitution,
as an alien, when he boarded that plane

Brandon9000 wrote:

The Nazis put people in concentration camps and killed them. This is not very similar to what David is advocating - using the known origin of most plane bombers to decide who might receive supplementary screening sometimes.

Well, you don't seem to have any knowledge about the German 3rd Reich's regulations re entering the country - that's exactly what

David wrote:

It will be enuf to see if thay look middle eastern
and if thay have Moslem names.

: absolutely no question that US jurisdiction applied the moment it was 3 miles off the coast of Holland.

All international law (ratified by both Holland and the US) confirms that planes and ships are subject to the jurisdiction of the country whose flag they fly, as are their passengers. That was a US airplane flying to the US: absolutely no question that US jurisdiction applied the moment it was 3 miles off the coast of Holland.

It makes perfect sense to be alert to people who fit the profile of most plane bombers, and sometimes give some of them extra screening. It doesn't make sense to do it to people based on racial prejudice.

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(As an aside: that passenger was in transit at Schipohl - so did he enter the Netherlands?)