@High Seas,
High Seas wrote:
You mistook my comment for irony - it was not.
Nor was mine.
Quote:My thanks to you and RJB are sincere: for 10 months now you've been diligently posting and linking to polls published by more than 10 polling organizations and individual analysts. Your last 3 posts (to which my last post was responding) concerned 3 polls that turned out to be spectacularly wrong, as were almost all of their predecessors.
If you're referring to polling of the Delaware Senate race prior to the primary, you're mistaken. PublicPolicyPolling had O'Donnell up by 3 over Mike Castle the day before the primary, so while they may have been off on the margin, they called the win for O'Donnell. If either Nate Silver or Stu Rothenberg had reported formal polls on the primary race between the two Republicans, realjohnboy or I would have most likely posted the results here. I don't generally post on the chatter of the pundits in this thread, unless they are connected to a known polling firm, although I enjoy reading information supplied by others - poll-related or not.
Quote:It's not irony to ask at some point, how come? How could all the pollsters, forecasters, other political experts you and RJB have cited all this time, issue predictions that turned out to be completely swamped by a tide of actual results, all going in the opposite direction? And even if you don't know the answer to that, how can you go on and place any trust in any of your cited pollsters' predictions, given their abysmal track records?
I'm not sure if you're continuing to refer solely to the Delaware race with these remarks, but speaking strictly for myself, I post poll predictions, analyses and results from those sources that are readily available. My intention is to create a record of the given data for comparison and examination following the election. With few exceptions, most of the polling firms used by the posters to this thread have above-average track records.
Quote:More to the point - is there any political expert out there whose opinion, ex ante, turned out to be confirmed by the experimental results ex post?
Again, if you're referring to the Delaware primary polls, I've pointed to the 9/13 poll by PPP. Marcos of Dailykos, in a post the day of the election, predicted O'Donnell would beat Castle by 7 points. I didn't post that information here, because he didn't poll the race; the comment was made in an informal post on his blog.
Quote:There is one, whom I cited on your (RJB's) thread several pages back, when he correctly predicted Miller over Murkowski in Alaska. He also called correctly the NY (Paladino) and Delaware (O'Donnell) results. His politics (and mine, for that matter) aren't yours, so you chose to ignore that data.
If you're referring to
this post of yours,
You wrote:"Another straw in the wind - Ed Rollins was the only one among the better-known pollsters to call the Alaska outcome correctly.
If you could provide a link to Ed Rollins' polling company and his analyses, forecasts and predictions, I'd be happy to include those polls in my posts here. As far as I can tell, Mr. Rollins is a political pundit appearing on CNN and while he may have correctly called both the Delaware and Alaska outcomes, there's no formal polling data by a firm connected to him that I can find to back this up.
Quote:If we weren't facing national (and state) bankruptcy I wouldn't bother writing this. But (1) we are standing at the edge of a precipice and (2) I can't - yet - bring myself to believe that anyone posting here really wants us to go over that cliff; so I will try one more time:
Democrats think the results are good news for them. They are looking into the electoral abyss and, with a president diminishing in popularity, have for months tried in vain to sell their unpopular legislative accomplishments: the stimulus bill, Wall Street reform and the health care clunker. They now are shifting their strategy to running against the "kooks," as some call the Tea Party-endorsed winners..... I feel that strategy will fail as badly as the several others that they have tried.
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/09/15/rollins.primaries.republican/?hpt=Sbin[
That's interesting and perhaps valuable information to many reading this thread, but as your link indicates, it is 'opinion' and I'm not sure how it relates to your earlier critical statements regarding the three posts I provided on PPP, The Rothenberg Report or The Cook Political Report's post-primary analyses. Again, only one (PPP) polled the primary race in question and they were correct for the most part. The two others merely offered views on what it meant going forward
I did enjoy reading Rollins' column, so thanks for the link. His parting words sum it up pretty well:
Quote:The next few weeks are going to be exciting, very important and, if the past is prologue, very unpredictable.