24
   

Well Damn! Somebody finally SAID IT!!

 
 
maporsche
 
  1  
Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 11:47 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

Dude, because he is pulling the 'angry white guy' routine.


I'm only angry because I was called a racist.

Nothing I said up until that point could be considered an "angry white guy routine" (whatever that means).
Robert Gentel
 
  1  
Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 12:13 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Dude, because he is pulling the 'angry white guy' routine. As I've said, this is a very typical line pulled by white dudes who are angry when other white dudes are accused of racism.


You are using a racial stereotype. Just like the "angry black man" stereotype. You can rationalize it away just like the "angry black man" stereotype too about how yes, there are many black men who are angry.

But at the end of the day both are just racial stereotypes and applying them to any individual just because they are angry and the particular race the stereotype is applies to is a broad generalization of the same logical nature that fuels racism itself.

Quote:
I've heard it a million times, mostly out of the mouths of my relatives, some of whom don't like it when Blacks complain about their lot in life, period.


You haven't heard it a million times, but I'm sure you've heard it enough But that isn't the point. Do you accept making a generalized racial stereotype out of it?

If someone said they knew a bunch of angry black folk would that mean their use of the "angry black man" stereotype is acceptable?

Maybe it is to you, but it isn't to me.

Quote:
There are screeds which can be accurately described as 'angry Black man;' the Rev. Wright stuff, for example. Hot-tempered Black rhetoric isn't anything new either.


I'm not saying that it doesn't exist, but you seem to be ignoring the full context of this stereotype. The stereotype takes this angry man and extrapolates it to others based on race. Black, or white, have nothing to do with it. They are being inserted because of a failure to rise beyond the race of the individual.

So just because of some black folk who are inordinately angry, other black folk have to go out of their way not to be, to avoid being tarred by this same brush. Not because of anything other than being black themselves.

I object to this stereotyping for blacks, and I object to it for whites.

Quote:
You have to be aware of something pernicious in order to fight it. Other countries don't make a big deal out of race, in large part b/c they don't make a big deal out of equality. We have chosen to do so. This is the result; issues must be tackled head-on, and yeah, it can get annoying sometimes.


I think it's a bit simplistic to say that the aggression in race relations in America have to do merely with the desire for equality. Prior to the civil rights movement the racism alone was much more aggressive than many countries with more subdued institutionalized discrimination.

The violent and aggressive history of race relations in America pre-dates the concern for equality.
0 Replies
 
wandeljw
 
  1  
Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 12:16 pm
@Robert Gentel,
Robert Gentel wrote:

wandeljw wrote:
We cannot pretend that racism no longer exists. We can not pretend that the attacks on this particular president have nothing to do racism.


I have good news for you then. Nobody here has said racism doesn't exist. Nobody here has said that none of the attacks on Obama have to do with racism.


Thank you for the good news. But going back to the actual post I was referring to: what freakish obsession do anti-racists have? (I quoted that part of your post when I made that comment.)
DrewDad
 
  1  
Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 12:16 pm
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:

Hell, even I am feeling sorry for Joe Wilson. What he said was moronic, but ifthere is one thing I hate more than anything else, it's false and unproven charges of racism (which I consider to be disgusting and vile).

The democrats really shot themselves in the foot on this one, me thinks.

Actually the term I used was "White Male Outrage (tm)". This offering from maporsche fits that description to a "T".

Poor old Joe Wilson, right?
maporsche
 
  1  
Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 12:21 pm
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:

Actually the term I used was "White Male Outrage (tm)". This offering from maporsche fits that description to a "T".


So, what is your definition of "White Male Outrage". You trademarked the term, please define it.

Cycloptichorn
 
  2  
Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 12:23 pm
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Dude, because he is pulling the 'angry white guy' routine.


I'm only angry because I was called a racist.

Nothing I said up until that point could be considered an "angry white guy routine" (whatever that means).


Oh really?

Your first post on this thread:

Quote:
JESUS ******* CHRIST!!!!!!!

Do we REALLY have to make everything relating to BO racist?


Do you always type in all caps, and curse, when you aren't angry?

It seems to me that you got angry when someone else was called a racist. And that has, as DrewDad puts it, 'White Male Outrage' written all over it.

Cycloptichorn
DrewDad
 
  1  
Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 12:25 pm
@maporsche,
I think you need to ask Setanta. I just borrowed it.

http://able2know.org/topic/136377-1
maporsche
 
  1  
Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 12:25 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
It was surprise. I was SHOCKED that this was made into a racist arguement.

Racism does not apply to this incident.
DrewDad
 
  1  
Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 12:28 pm
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:

It was surprise. I was SHOCKED that this was made into a racist arguement.

Racism does not apply to this incident.


Which just makes you sound foolish.

Racism has everything to do with Joe's outburst. He's horror-struck at the idea that illegal immigrants could purchase insurance with their own money.

And it's not the first occasion he's been on the warpath with regard to illegal immigrants.


And what part of "SHOCKED" is not outrage?

Robert Gentel
 
  3  
Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 12:29 pm
@wandeljw,
wandeljw wrote:
Thank you for the good news. But going back to the actual post I was referring to: what freakish obsession do anti-racists have? (I quoted that part of your post when I made that comment.)


I've expounded a bit more about this on another thread today, so I won't waste space repeating myself too much.

The cliff notes version is that I think America is too quick to see things (good or bad) as being defined by race, regardless of the motivation. It's a culture more defined by race than most places I've been, and it felt very weird to me. All my life nobody really cared what race I was, they might have asked where I came from or something (because I was always a foreigner) but in America that was always the first question on every form and nearly every introduction. It seemed like the first thing anyone cared about was what race I am (I have passed for white, asian, Mexican, Chilean etc...). It got to the point that as a kid I'd stop answering. I'd say something stupid like "100 yard dash" and ignore it.

It's weird to me, like a national obsession that doesn't let individuals rise above what race they are. They are immediately categorized as a black man, a white man, etc.

So Obama can't just be the damn president. He has to wear the mantle of black president, both for racists and for anti-racists. I look forward to the day that the race is a less important adjective in America. When Obama can be a man, and a president without having to be a black man or a black president. When a guy can be angry without being an angry white man, or an angry black man. And for me, America feels like it's crawling with obsession about race. Every minority is defined by their race, and every interaction with a minority that a white person has is defined by their race. It's an unhealthy level of obsession to me, and no that doesn't mean I think we should stop worrying about racism or ignore it. Like I explain elsewhere it doesn't have to be so black or white, one extreme or the other. That pretty much sums up a lot of American culture though. It's polarized and lacks nuance. It's hot or cold, never lukewarm. It's black or white.
maporsche
 
  1  
Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 12:29 pm
@DrewDad,
You used it. What do YOU think it means.
0 Replies
 
maporsche
 
  1  
Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 12:33 pm
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:

And what part of "SHOCKED" is not outrage?


Does shocked not equal surprised?

Can one not be surprised withoug being outraged or angry?
DrewDad
 
  1  
Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 12:37 pm
@maporsche,
I suppose pedantry is your last refuge. Enjoy it; I shall not attempt to dig you out.
maporsche
 
  1  
Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 12:39 pm
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:

I suppose pedantry is your last refuge. Enjoy it; I shall not attempt to dig you out.


I was just thinking the same thing about you. I guess we can both revel in our pedantry.



It's like you've already arrived at the conclusion and you're trying to force my posts to fit your conclusion. Why would you do that?
DrewDad
 
  1  
Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 12:41 pm
@maporsche,
When will you resort to "I know you are, but what am I?"

Whoops! I guess you already did....
maporsche
 
  1  
Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 12:43 pm
@DrewDad,
Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
Laughing Laughing Laughing
0 Replies
 
wandeljw
 
  2  
Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 01:27 pm
@Robert Gentel,
Thank you, Robert. You support your own comments with more explanatory detail than most people. In fact, I myself rarely go into much detail when making a comment. My concern was that Maureen Dowd and Jimmy Carter were being described as "obsessive" in their view that racism played a role in Joe Wilson's act of disrespect.
0 Replies
 
aidan
 
  2  
Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 01:44 pm
@kickycan,
Quote:
He's got an opinion, and you've got an opinion, and neither opinion can be definitely proven to be right or wrong in this case. Nobody can see into Joe Wilson's soul

No, but this gives me a pretty good idea of what goes on in Hawkeye's soul/mind/thought processes:
Quote:
and NEVER EVER listen to the Black Caucus....they can't cant have 500 IQ points between them all.

Actually, this is the only thing that even approached a stereotypical and insulting statement that could be construed to be racist, that I've read made by anyone on this thread- and maporsche didn't write it.


Quote:
Though I do agree that maporsche sounds like an ignoramus with his statements about the experiences of poor white people compared to black people.

I know what he's talking about. I've seen it myself. When I lived in Maine, there were NO black people in the town except for my husband and my two children. But we weren't poor. We lived in a nice house in a nice neighborhood, and had good jobs. My son was friends with a little boy (white- everyone else was white) who had a single mother and lived in subsidized housing. One day these two little boys were riding their bikes on the sidewalk in front of my house and a neighbor lady walked by and said,'Hello Joseph (my son) - how are you?' in this sickeningly sweet voice and then she turned to Kevin (the poor white kid) and practically spat, 'Why are you riding your bike on the sidewalk?! Get off of the sidewalk!!'
Then she started badmouthing his mom (who happened to be my friend) to me...blah, blah, blah.

So I guess in her mind - 'poor' was the operative and defining conditional - not black or minority.
maporsche didn't say he knew what it was like to be black - he said he knew what it was like to be treated like **** because of who he was- I'm sure some of his experiences do correlate to others who are treated that way - even if it's for a different reason.

I think I'd rather be black than poor in America - but I can't say whether I'd rather be poor and black or poor and white. I guess that would depend on where I lived.

And I voted for Obama, but I'm not impressed with the health plan as it stands. And it has nothing to do with being racist.

maporsche
 
  2  
Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 02:37 pm
@aidan,
You got it Aidan. Thank you.
0 Replies
 
eoe
 
  1  
Reply Wed 16 Sep, 2009 02:41 pm
@aidan,
Two questions:
aidan wrote:

...and then she turned to Kevin (the poor white kid) and practically spat, 'Why are you riding your bike on the sidewalk?! Get off of the sidewalk!!'
Then she started badmouthing his mom (who happened to be my friend) to me...blah, blah, blah.

What was she saying about the mother? Does she have an issue with the mother? I'm just curious.

aidan wrote:
And I voted for Obama, but I'm not impressed with the health plan as it stands. And it has nothing to do with being racist.


What issues do you have with the current proposed health plan? Again, just curious.
 

Related Topics

2016 moving to #1 spot - Discussion by gungasnake
Black Lives Matter - Discussion by TheCobbler
Is 'colored people' offensive? - Question by SMickey
Obama, a Joke - Discussion by coldjoint
The Day Ferguson Cops Were Caught in a Bloody Lie - Discussion by bobsal u1553115
The ECHR and muslims - Discussion by Arend
Atlanta Race Riot 1906 - Discussion by kobereal24
Quote of the Day - Discussion by Tabludama
The Confederacy was About Slavery - Discussion by snood
 
Copyright © 2025 MadLab, LLC :: Terms of Service :: Privacy Policy :: Page generated in 0.04 seconds on 05/08/2025 at 04:06:40