@Baldimo,
Quote: Even on the extreme low end of 60k, which would be a stat you would favor, it is far more than the 11k murders with guns that take place, 2016 saw 17k people murdered in total. 60k defensive gun uses vs 17 k murders... more lives were saved with a gun than taken with a gun.
That assumes that 1 (one) life would be taken each and every time a person is robbed or otherwise attacked, if that person doesn't own a gun, AND it also assumes that the same 1 life was saved each and everytime a person used a gun in self-defense...
I see no reason to assume any of that. Take the random attack on a mom and pop shop. A n armed thief does not always kill the cashier. If the cashier pulls a gun on the robber, sometimes he lives, and the robber lives, sometimes one of them dies, sometimes they both die... There's no one-to-one relationship between cases of self-defense use and cases of death/lack of.