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Guns: how much longer will it take ....

 
 
gungasnake
 
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Reply Tue 8 May, 2018 04:45 am
When you get somebody living in his parents' basement till age 40 and then running for president of the United States, there is a definite problem in the picture.....

People born in 1940 were not expected to live in their parents basements until they were forty years old or to get thrown out of a hippie commune for being too much of a bum to even make it as a hippie. Bernie Sanders is a super bum, he looks MORE like a bum than Red Skelton's old Freddy the Freeloader character. The guy's mind is more of a mess than his hair.

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gungasnake
 
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Reply Tue 8 May, 2018 04:50 am
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Table 12 also shows that more people were killed via the use of “hands, fists, feet, etc.,” than were killed by rifles of any kind. In fact, the tally shows that the death numbers were not even close. While approximately 374 people were shot and killed with rifles, roughly 656 people were beaten to death with “hands, fists, feet, etc.”


Sheeeeesh, who'da thought it..... We need to get all the dems, tards, flakes etc. lined up to have their hands and feet amputated.....
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 10 May, 2018 04:50 am
Shareholders of gun manufacturer Sturm, Ruger & Co. voted on Wednesday for the company to conduct a report on gun safety.

Sturm Ruger shareholders approve proposal for gun-maker to report on risks of its business
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• A proposal, backed by the Northwest Coalition for Responsible Investment, asks gun makers like Sturm Ruger to prepare a report about the financial and reputational risks associated with their business.
• Ruger's CEO, Christopher Killoy, said at the company's annual meeting on Wednesday that the company will comply and prepare the report.
• It was the first major test this year for faith-based shareholder groups, which have been urging the nation's gun industry to act after recent extreme examples of gun violence.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Thu 10 May, 2018 06:37 am
@gungasnake,
That "table 12" from the FBI can be summarized as follows:

……………..................…...Murders...Percent of Total Murders
Total murders*…............…15,070 ....100%
Murders by firearms…......…11,004 .....73%
Of which:….Handguns…....... 7,105
………………...Rifles…............… 374
………………...Shotguns….......... 262
………………...Type unknown....3,263
Knives, cutting instruments..1,604 ....11%
Other weapons.....................1,806 ....12%
Hands, fists, feet, etc.**..........656 .....4%

* Total number of murders for which supplemental homicide data were received.
** Pushed is included in hands, fists, feet, etc.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/table-12

Therefore: 1) firearms account for 73% of all murders in the US, while knives only feature in 11% of homicides; 2) the breakdown by type of firearms includes a large number of "type unknown", therefore no precise estimate can be given of how dangerous are handguns, riffles or other firearm types; 3) this said, handguns appears to be the type of firearms most often used to kill.

There's a strong case to ban firearms, therefore, but the data is not precise enough to pinpoint the most dangerous types of firearms.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 10 May, 2018 06:43 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
There's a strong case to ban firearms, therefore,

Only if you think it is somehow worse for someone to be killed with a gun than with a knife.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Thu 10 May, 2018 09:06 am
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UPDATED: Mass Public Shootings keep occurring in Gun-Free Zones: 97.3% of attacks since 1950


https://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Screen-Shot-2018-05-09-at-Wednesday-May-9-4.27-PM-e1525897739842.png
No surprise here. Nothing like having the only gun when you want to kill people. It looks like these killers have figured out where they have that advantage.

https://crimeresearch.org/2018/05/more-misleading-information-from-bloombergs-everytown-for-gun-safety-on-guns-analysis-of-recent-mass-shootings/
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 10 May, 2018 09:55 am
@coldjoint,
Yeap, even the White House and, of course, all military facilities are gun free according to the definition in that link.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Thu 10 May, 2018 10:10 am
@oralloy,
We've discussed that already. The question of whether dying of knife wound is better or worse than dying of gun is irrelevant. The correct question to ask is:

If someone wanted to kill you, and you could chose the weapon that person is entitled to use, would you prefer that your potential killer a) is allowed to use any kind of gun he wants to use; or 2) is only allowed to use a knife?
Glennn
 
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Reply Thu 10 May, 2018 10:17 am
@Olivier5,
So that's your argument for banning all guns?

And is your argument that if all guns were banned, there would be 73% less murders because no one included in that 73% would think of using another weapon?
coldjoint
 
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Reply Thu 10 May, 2018 10:51 am
@Glennn,
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there would be 73% less murders

Did Cain own a gun? Where did he shoot Abel?
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 10 May, 2018 01:06 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
The question of whether dying of knife wound is better or worse than dying of gun is irrelevant.

Which is why all the hysteria about "the number of people killed with guns" is meaningless.


Olivier5 wrote:
The correct question to ask is:

If someone wanted to kill you, and you could chose the weapon that person is entitled to use, would you prefer that your potential killer a) is allowed to use any kind of gun he wants to use; or 2) is only allowed to use a knife?

I don't see how it would matter. The important thing would be to have an adequate defense prepared.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 10 May, 2018 01:08 pm
@Olivier5,
How do you compare this to the 2014 CDC report that said there were between 500,000 and 2.5 million uses of gun for self-defense. That far out numbers the deaths by guns and points to guns being used for self-defense for more than they are for murder.

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Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 10 May, 2018 01:11 pm
@Olivier5,
Quote:
If someone wanted to kill you, and you could chose the weapon that person is entitled to use, would you prefer that your potential killer a) is allowed to use any kind of gun he wants to use; or 2) is only allowed to use a knife?

Do I get to choose whether I defend myself with a knife or a gun? You seem to think people should just be killed because you don't want them to protect themselves. How about asking the question about what you want to protect yourself with, instead of what I would rather be killed with...
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Thu 10 May, 2018 03:15 pm
@Glennn,
Quote:
And is your argument that if all guns were banned, there would be 73% less murders because no one included in that 73% would think of using another weapon?

No. But some of them would hesitate using another, less effective weapons. It's about making murder less easy.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 10 May, 2018 03:54 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
some of them would hesitate using another, less effective weapons.

Not very many. Statistics are clear that gun availability has very little impact on homicide rates.


Olivier5 wrote:
It's about making murder less easy.

Even if gun availability did make a difference, Americans would still have the right to have guns powerful enough to be suitable for self defense.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Thu 10 May, 2018 11:33 pm
@oralloy,
Statistics from your rear end?
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 11 May, 2018 12:17 am
@Olivier5,
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate_by_decade

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

Few guns, lots of homicides:

Honduras
Homicide Rate: 86
Gun ownership rate: 6.2

El Salvador
Homicide Rate: 41
Gun ownership rate: 5.8

Jamaica
Homicide Rate: 48
Gun ownership rate: 8.1

Belize
Homicide Rate: 45
Gun ownership rate: 10

Bahamas
Homicide Rate: 37
Gun ownership rate: 5.3

Dominican Republic
Homicide Rate: 25
Gun ownership rate: 5.1

Brazil
Homicide Rate: 29
Gun ownership rate: 8

Columbia
Homicide Rate: 24.5
Gun ownership rate: 5.9

Trinidad and Tobago
Homicide Rate: 28
Gun ownership rate: 1.6


Lots of guns, few homicides:

Norway
Homicide Rate: 0.57
Gun ownership rate: 31.3

France
Homicide Rate: 1.53
Gun ownership rate: 31.2

Canada
Homicide Rate: 1.68
Gun ownership rate: 30.8

Austria
Homicide Rate: 0.49
Gun ownership rate: 30.4

Iceland
Homicide Rate: 0.91
Gun ownership rate: 30.3

Germany
Homicide Rate: 0.81
Gun ownership rate: 30.3

Finland
Homicide Rate: 1.61
Gun ownership rate: 27.3
gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 11 May, 2018 05:20 am
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Fri 11 May, 2018 06:07 am
@oralloy,
These few data points are neither here nor there. You'd need a thorough statistical analysis, a multifactorial correlation analysis to make sense of such data, accounting for other factors as well including poverty levels and the strength of law and order enforcement in each country.
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 11 May, 2018 06:17 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
These few data points are neither here nor there. You'd need a thorough statistical analysis, a multifactorial correlation analysis to make sense of such data, accounting for other factors as well including poverty levels and the strength of law and order enforcement in each country.

Actually you can make sense of the data just by looking at it. And it shows that gun availability has little impact on homicide rates.

But if you'd like some analysis to go with your statistics, I have just the link for you:

http://medium.com/@bjcampbell/everybodys-lying-about-the-link-between-gun-ownership-and-homicide-1108ed400be5
 

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