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Stripper as a wife.

 
 
Thomas
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2007 08:21 am
Bella Dea wrote:
Some woman had to decide one day that it was profitable to sell herself for money. So yes, it was created somewhere by someone.

Sorry for the quibble, but prostitution isn't selling yourself -- it's renting yourself out, or getting yourself hired.
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Ragman
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2007 08:21 am
How did we get from Strippers alleged intellect to a crime report on Chicago prostitution?

This thread may get the record for tangents (myself included). I need to draw a flow chart 'cause I'm fascinated about the directions the convo takes.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2007 08:28 am
Miller wrote:
Quote:
Minna, the outspoken one, said, "If it weren't for married men, we couldn't have carried on at all, and if it weren't for cheating married women we could have made another million."


There's more money in illegal as opposed to legal prostitution, or so it seems.

I don't know where you get that from, since Minna and Ada's establishment was legal and obscenely profitable. (Figuratively speeking, of course.) But if it's true, I like the bumper sticker this makes: "Defund prostitution, legalize it."
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Thomas
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2007 08:29 am
Ragman wrote:
How did we get from Strippers alleged intellect to a crime report on Chicago prostitution?

This thread may get the record for tangents (myself included). I need to draw a flow chart 'cause I'm fascinated about the directions the convo takes.

Are you complaining? I'm certainly not.
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2007 08:37 am
Chai wrote:
Yes, sadly joe, there are broken people in every profession.

However, I feel there's something much more damaging in objectifying a person, by staring and getting arousal from blatently staring at her genitals, then by politely passing the time of day with the bank teller, or cashier. We are not lusting after the cashier.

Speak for yourself.

Chai wrote:
You mentioned prudishness before Thomas...what I am saying is more self respect.
There is a lot of ground between the 2.
It's difficult for, in this case, a woman to maintain healthy self respect for herself, when you receive the message for hours on end that all you are is a pair of breasts, or exposed genitals.

And I imagine that toll booth operators and supermarket cashiers and bank tellers feel like all they are is an arm connected to a cash drawer. Objectification of workers is inevitable in a system of capitalism. But capitalism at least has the advantage of allowing some choice in how one wants to be objectified. I don't see why the person who wants to be objectified as a breast is due less respect than the person who wants to be objectified as an arm.

Chai wrote:
I heard/read of strippers saying they felt power over men because of what they have, i.e. their body, which was being lusted after. (btw, there's a difference between healthy desire and lust)
I've felt that power, but it isn't really a satisfying one in the long run. It's such an easy power to have, not challenging, and not one that produces healthy feelings.

Is that true for everyone, or just for you?
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2007 08:38 am
Ragman wrote:
Thomas wrote:
Here you go, Ragman (Found with a simple search for "cjhsa".)


Thanks, Thomas (I think). While I did the search I still somehow missed it. I feel sad to see it actually. It' all so tedious when there's just no reason for that comment. Just one more example of sick racist/anti-Jewish crap.


Take off your shoes and smell your feet. Do you find that offensive? I do.

Give me a break, it was a joke. Or, we will just agree to disagree.
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2007 08:39 am
Thomas wrote:
Bella Dea wrote:
Some woman had to decide one day that it was profitable to sell herself for money. So yes, it was created somewhere by someone.

Sorry for the quibble, but prostitution isn't selling yourself -- it's renting yourself out, or getting yourself hired.

A customer doesn't pay a prostitute for sex; he pays her to leave afterwards.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2007 08:39 am
Well, this thread really is entertaining.

Oh, and I know about those businesses: I've worked as a social worker with strippers and prostitutes as well as counselling the police.


Either there's really a big difference between the USA and here (not only re "morality", "legal business", "freedom of profession" etc but with the complete circumstances) or .... well, I don't know.

(I mean, when talking about carpet fabrication it should be clear if you mean 10-year-old children working in akistan or computerised hospital-like factories in other countries.
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Miller
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2007 08:40 am
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How did we get from Strippers alleged intellect to a crime report on Chicago prostitution?


The issue is "intellect" and various sinful ( !!) occupations for women. Can anyone deny that the Everleigh Sisters of Chicago were smart operators?

Similarly, would anyone be very surprised to know that female/male medical students often are "escorts" (CHECK YOUR YELLOW PAGES ) in order to pay their way through med school?
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2007 08:41 am
How about "her a-- was tighter than a set of gnats lips stretched over a rain barrel". Does that make you feel better?
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2007 08:42 am
Could you imagine taking Ragman to a Don Rickles show? Geesh.
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Miller
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2007 08:44 am
joefromchicago wrote:
Thomas wrote:
Bella Dea wrote:
Some woman had to decide one day that it was profitable to sell herself for money. So yes, it was created somewhere by someone.

Sorry for the quibble, but prostitution isn't selling yourself -- it's renting yourself out, or getting yourself hired.

A customer doesn't pay a prostitute for sex; he pays her to leave afterwards.


The "John" can pay, or he could stand the chance of having his throat sliced ear-to-ear. The decision is his.

(I still like that title "Bucket of Blood" as applied to Chicago's old levee zone...has real meaning!)
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Miller
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2007 08:45 am
cjhsa wrote:
Could you imagine taking Ragman to a Don Rickles show? Geesh.


Or even better, can you imagine Ragman jumping naked out of
a birthdaycake?

Shocked
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Thomas
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2007 08:46 am
joefromchicago wrote:
Thomas wrote:
Bella Dea wrote:
Some woman had to decide one day that it was profitable to sell herself for money. So yes, it was created somewhere by someone.

Sorry for the quibble, but prostitution isn't selling yourself -- it's renting yourself out, or getting yourself hired.

A customer doesn't pay a prostitute for sex; he pays her to leave afterwards.

That's a brilliant way to put it.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2007 08:47 am
Could you please pass the wet-naps? There seems to be something on my keyboard....
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Miller
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2007 08:49 am
cjhsa wrote:
Could you please pass the wet-naps? There seems to be something on my keyboard....


Only your keyboard? Rolling Eyes
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2007 08:49 am
cjhsa wrote:
Give me a break, it was a joke.


No, jokes are funny. Puking up racial stereotypes is never funny.
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2007 08:52 am
Thomas, you are posting for the sake of posting.

Your quibble isn't worth responding to.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2007 08:57 am
Miller wrote:
The "John" can pay, or he could stand the chance of having his throat sliced ear-to-ear. The decision is his.

I think that part of prostitution lore is an urban legend, encouraged by bad movies. When customers and clients don't really trust each other, their usual mode of transaction is different. Assuming, again, that prostitution is like any other business, I predict that the John is expected to pay in advance, and if he doesn't there's no service. That way there never emerges a choice between paying and throat-slitting. I expect that's how it works because, as I frequently point out to joefromchicago, killing your customers is bad for business.

Perhaps Walter has information on this point from the prostitutes he has met as a social worker.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2007 08:58 am
Bella Dea wrote:
Thomas, you are posting for the sake of posting.

Your quibble isn't worth responding to.

You just did.
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