Stripper as a wife.

DrewDad wrote:

Bella Dea wrote:
The whole reason this started is because some of us believe that the mental state of most strippers is less than stable and that their self image and value is skewed.

Not that they are repulsive or bad or evil or anything like that.

Less than stable mental states? Do you have anything to back that up?

And my previous point was that why should we consider their values skewed rather than yours?

Just my experience, which to me says more than most research projects. To me. Not to you, THomas, Joe, whoever. To ME. My experiences make me. Right or wrong, experiences make us who we are and what we believe.

Again, why does it matter so much to you what I think of strippers?

I never claimed to be anything other than self-educated when it came to this and never claimed anything other than my opinion on strippers.

I don't claim that they are all nuts. I don't claim that they are all good. I don't claim anything other than in my experience, I have seen that strippers have low self esteem and a low self value. From what, I don't know. Didn't ask.

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I don't really care much either, except that I like to discuss things.

I just found "the mental state of most strippers is less than stable" to be a pretty damning statement.

I'd ask the same questions of someone who said "most gun owners have low self esteem" or "most people with dandruff have social problems."

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DrewDad wrote:

I don't really care much either, except that I like to discuss things.

I just found "the mental state of most strippers is less than stable" to be a pretty damning statement.

I'd ask the same questions of someone who said "most gun owners have low self esteem" or "most people with dandruff have social problems."

Ok woulds it make you feel better if I'd said "the mental state of most strippers I've known or met is less than stable"?

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Sample Description A total of 56 respondents completed the survey, 16 males and 40 females.

A sample of only 56 respondents doesn't seem very conclusive of anything to me.

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The range of highest level of education is from 11 years to 20 years, with the mean at 13 years.

So the average education level would be high school and one year of college. Still, it doesn't provide any statistics as far as how many completed college or only completed high school.

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DrewDad wrote:

And my previous point was that why should we consider their values skewed rather than yours?

How do you decide what values are considered acceptable versus what values are considered skewed? By what the norms of a society tell us. Do you disagree?

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Stray Cat wrote:

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Sample Description A total of 56 respondents completed the survey, 16 males and 40 females.

A sample of only 56 respondents doesn't seem very conclusive of anything to me.

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The range of highest level of education is from 11 years to 20 years, with the mean at 13 years.

So the average education level would be high school and one year of college. Still, it doesn't provide any statistics as far as how many completed college or only completed high school.

You're forgetting kindergarten. It's an average of a high school diploma, actually.

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kickycan wrote:

DrewDad wrote:
And my previous point was that why should we consider their values skewed rather than yours?

How do you decide what values are considered acceptable versus what values are considered skewed? By what the norms of a society tell us. Do you disagree?

Give me some empirical data on the norms of society, and we'll talk. That's my point.

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kickycan wrote:

You're forgetting kindergarten. It's an average of a high school diploma, actually.

I didn't, actually. And since they use "mean" then there have to be several with 11 and 12 years of school to balance the (I assume one) person with 20 years of education.

I was presenting all of the data I found, rather than cherry picking that which suited me.

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Stray Cat wrote:

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Sample Description A total of 56 respondents completed the survey, 16 males and 40 females.

A sample of only 56 respondents doesn't seem very conclusive of anything to me.

Yes, definitely a small sample size. There doesn't seems to be a lot of empirical studies about exotic dancing on the 'net.

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Bella Dea wrote:

DrewDad wrote:
I don't really care much either, except that I like to discuss things.

I just found "the mental state of most strippers is less than stable" to be a pretty damning statement.

I'd ask the same questions of someone who said "most gun owners have low self esteem" or "most people with dandruff have social problems."

Ok woulds it make you feel better if I'd said "the mental state of most strippers I've known or met is less than stable"?

Yes, actually.

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kickycan wrote:

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You're forgetting kindergarten. It's an average of a high school diploma, actually.

Good point, baby!

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DrewDad wrote:

Bella Dea wrote:
DrewDad wrote:
I don't really care much either, except that I like to discuss things.

I just found "the mental state of most strippers is less than stable" to be a pretty damning statement.

I'd ask the same questions of someone who said "most gun owners have low self esteem" or "most people with dandruff have social problems."

Ok woulds it make you feel better if I'd said "the mental state of most strippers I've known or met is less than stable"?

Yes, actually.

I live to serve.

:wink:

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Much like a stripper.

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So Bella, I paypal'd you my $5, where are those pictures of you and your college roomate from that drunken night?

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Stray Cat wrote:

Stripping involves an act of intimacy that would normally be reserved for a man and woman who share an actual relationship. A man that loves, cares about, respects and wants to protect the woman, and a woman who loves, cares about and trusts the man.

I keep reading this thought trying to pin down what it is about it that troubles me. Maybe it's the definition of what is 'normal'. I don't think it's abnormal for a woman to chose to be a stripper or a man to chose to sit in a bar and watch her perform. It isn't anything I would chose for myself or that I would encourage my children to chose for themselves, but I think calling it not normal is the same as Chai calling it 'wrong'. Both of these thoughts bring to mind a puritanical morality that I'm not sure applies in today's culture.

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What about a stripping carnie?

Or simply a carnie for a wife?

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Well, of course, I'm going to disagree, JPB! :wink:

I don't think the fact that I don't equate the physical intimacies shared between a man and woman in a loving, caring and emotionally intimate relationship, with a man looking at a stripper in a bar, reflects a "puritanical morality" on my part.

I also don't think that is true of Chai's statement. Even if she said, "I think stripping is wrong," (and I'm not sure she even said that), I couldn't assume that she's making a judgement based on "puritanical morality."

In fact, to be honest, I think "puritanical" is a far more loaded and judgemental word than my use of the word "normally."

shewolf posted:

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Yes, I know. But you know how it is sometimes.......it's like this

Ok! I'm done!

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JPB wrote:

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Bella Dea wrote:
And yes, 1% of the US is a fair amount of people so it's possible.Not to mention that 99% in the way I used it is not a scientific number but one stating that most (not all) are that way. IMO. Or rather should I say, my experience.
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Not sure what your point is. Literal 99%, figurative 99%. Whats the difference? The substance of the statement remains the same.

Hence why - in the very post you're responding to, mind - I wrote:

"I mean, all a bunch of us have done is expressing disagreement with these blanket statements, you know, whether it was about all, or most, or a literal or figurative 99%, or whatever.

From the post of Bella Dea you're quoting: "I used it is not a scientific number but one stating that most (not all) are that way."

Thats exactly - and all - we've been arguing about. <shrugs>

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