Stripper as a wife.

How many waitresses get bigger tips by flirting with the barflies? How stripping any different, really?

DrewDad wrote:

kickycan wrote:

How many girls in good high schools do you think want to be strippers when they get out of school? If you are being honest, I submit that the answer can only be "very few, if any at all." Why do you think that is?

How many women put themselves through college by working at strip clubs?

A lot, if Austin is anything to go by....

I smell bullshit...

How many waitresses get bigger tips by flirting with the barflies?

DrewDad wrote:

How many waitresses get bigger tips by flirting with the barflies? How stripping any different, really?

Oooo, I hate it when women use sex to get what they want.

I am sure we all (men and women) do it subconsiously to some degree but you know the kind of women I am talking about. I just want to smack her in the head.

Also according the the article Jes posted, both parties are aware of the illusion.

How many waitresses get bigger tips by flirting with the barflies? How stripping any different, really?

kickycan wrote:

DrewDad wrote:

kickycan wrote:

How many girls in good high schools do you think want to be strippers when they get out of school? If you are being honest, I submit that the answer can only be "very few, if any at all." Why do you think that is?

How many women put themselves through college by working at strip clubs?

A lot, if Austin is anything to go by....

I smell bullshit...

How so?

Mind you, I'm not claiming a large percentage of college women get their money that way, but I'd be willing to wager a large number of strippers are going or have gone to college.

Bella Dea wrote:

DrewDad wrote:

How many waitresses get bigger tips by flirting with the barflies? How stripping any different, really?

Oooo, I hate it when women use sex to get what they want.

I am sure we all (men and women) do it subconsiously to some degree but you know the kind of women I am talking about. I just want to smack her in the head.

Me, too.

Then again, not everybody in the world has the same choices that you or I do.

Here's an idea. Why don't we all just agree that we're right?

True, but even when I was really really really broke I wouldn't have considered acting like that for more money.

I just don't think a "large number" of college girls are also strippers

Why? Because you were taught that being seen in the nude is wrong?

Bella Dea wrote:

True, but even when I was really really really broke I wouldn't have considered acting like that for more money.

Why? Because you were taught that being seen in the nude is wrong? Why should your opinion be more compelling than the opinion of someone who thinks it's OK?

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I just don't think a "large number" of college girls are also strippers

The going rate for a college-age egg donor is $50,000 in the Boston area.

I guess I don't get why this particular service is so repulsive, verus, say, a boxer being paid to fight, or a drug rep being paid to push pills.

I guess I don't get why this particular service is so repulsive, verus, say, a boxer being paid to fight, or a drug rep being paid to push pills.

I just don't think a "large number" of college girls are also strippers. But the thing is, I'm going to have to give up on this argument. It all depends entirely too much on what you mean by "a large number" and what I mean by "very few" and other non-specific quantification.

Here's an idea. Why don't we all just agree that we're right?

Sample Description A total of 56 respondents completed the survey, 16 males and 40 females. This gender distribution is in line with the exotic dancing population nationally (see Forsyth, 1992). Most (69 percent) of the respondents are white (63 percent of the males and 72 percent of the females); 22 percent are black (25 percent of the males and 20 percent of the females). The dancers range in age from 19 to 40, with a median age of 24. Dancers are most likely to be single (30 of 56) ordivorced (12 of 56). Among the other dancers, nine of the respondents are married, three cohabitate, and two are separated. A majority (58.9%) of the respondents have children. The range of highest level of education is from 11 years to 20 years, with the mean at 13 years.
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Her comfort level increased as she met with more than 100 exotic dancers and held qualitative interviews with 36 of them, especially in San Francisco and Hawaii. Though she offered the women $40 per interview, still many stood her up. Was it fear? Shame? Without asking the women who didn't show up, there was no way to know.

That's a guiding theme of her work: Don't label sex workers victims or vamps but instead listen to their personal stories. "They want to be treated as regular people," she said. The men who pay them don't care what they think or feel, just how they look. Neither do theorists who assume without asking.

She found them to be smart, funny and very supportive of each other. Working in the sex industry brought solidarity within the sisterhood and disdain for men.

Why do women dance naked? Money, money, money. Sex-related work is the one field that pays women better than men. Young women without credentials earn far more in 20 hours as strippers than in 40 hours at a conventional job.

About a third were working their way through college, a higher rate than among strippers overall because Barton's sample was self-selected. As tuition costs escalate and student aid dwindles, stripping is a rare, practical way to get by. They've found other satisfactions. Many enjoy the praise and attention. They have considerable autonomy to decide when and whether to dance; one told her dancers get tipped and treated better than waitresses and have more opportunities to sit down. Some get a thrill out of the elements of risk.

On the other hand, stripping takes a toll on the women's health, relationships and self-esteem. Smoky, noisy clubs encourage alcohol and illegal drugs. Dancers hesitate to talk about work outside the club because of the stigma. Men assume they are prostitutes. It's hard to find housing or stable friendships.

Happily for readers, her dissertation advisor Dr. Susan Bordo was committed to clear writing. Barton's dissertation became a crossover book attracting scholars as well as the average educated reader. The first printing sold out, with a reprint to follow.

The whole reason this started is because some of us believe that the mental state of most strippers is less than stable and that their self image and value is skewed.

Not that they are repulsive or bad or evil or anything like that.