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Stripper as a wife.

 
 
Thomas
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 01:04 pm
kickycan wrote:
But I still think the fact that nobody really chooses to become a stripper is applicable and relevant here.

Wasn't it Joe's contention that the choice to become a stripper is the same as the choice to become a lawyer or a burger flipper?

More or less, yes. And I presume, without any evidence to back it up, that he is right.
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kickycan
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 01:08 pm
Okay, so the question then becomes, what would suffice as evidence? I'm thinking this is going to be a tough sell...
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Stray Cat
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 01:09 pm
Thomas wrote:
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How about actors then? You certainly go to the theater and the movies to look at the actors. Do they degrade themselves, too?


I know you didn't direct this question to me, but I think your question needs some fine tuning.

Are you asking if the mere act of watching an actor in a movie is somehow degrading to them? Or are you specifically referring to an actor doing a nude scene?

In the first situation, I'd say no. The actors are performing a story, and we're going to base our opinion of the movie on the strength of the storyline, and the ability of the actor to assume the characteristics of the role they are playing, and to communicate the emotions involved to us.

In the second situation, I'd say, "yes," I think the actor is degrading themselves. However, the average movie-goer has no control over whether or not there is a nude scene in the average movie.

If I hear that a particular movie has a great storyline, and some excellent acting, I may choose to see the movie in spite of the 10 minute nude scene, which is incidental to the rest of the movie (and therefore unnecessary) and which I realize I'll have to sit through in order to see the rest of the film.

I think this is completely different than someone going to a strip club -- the sole purpose of which is to watch women take off their clothes or perform sex acts (such as a lap dance, etc.) -- which I think is exceptionally degrading to the strippers.

Drew Dad wrote

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As an aside, I've no problem with strip clubs, per se,


Neither do I, per se (a fool and his money are soon parted). But then, we're not the ones doing the stripping are we?
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Thomas
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 01:10 pm
kickycan wrote:
Okay, so the question then becomes, what would suffice as evidence? I'm thinking this is going to be a tough sell...

It is -- in both directions, I guess.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 01:13 pm
Thomas wrote:

Let me assure you that I in no way represent Germany. Walter would faint from frustration if I did.


Thomas represents about 6% (there are a few females among FDP supporters, right, Thomas?) of the German population :wink:
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Stray Cat
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 01:14 pm
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And it's possible that some women object to stripping because, deep down, they envy the physical attributes of strippers and the attention paid to them by their customers, and fear that their own rapidly fading looks are not enough to maintain the interest of their men.


Well, why wouldn't a woman feel threatened by that? Because we all know how much the average stripper yearns to run away with the 60 year-old, balding, drunken, used car salesman who's ogling her in the front row.

I'm sure she'd give up her "respectable" occupation in a second for such an opportunity! Smile
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 01:17 pm
Stray Cat wrote:
Well, why wouldn't a woman feel threatened by that? Because we all know how much the average stripper yearns to run away with the 60 year-old, balding, drunken, used car salesman who's ogling her in the front row.

I'm sure she'd give up her "respectable" occupation in a second for such an opportunity! Smile


I know several that have. One of them even asked my wife if she'd like to give it a try (cuz she has big boobs). You can make a ton of money. Big money is a lure for ANY job.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 01:18 pm
Stray Cat wrote:
Are you asking if the mere act of watching an actor in a movie is somehow degrading to them? Or are you specifically referring to an actor doing a nude scene?

The first. Joe had made the point that people rent out heir bodies, and thereby objectify themselves, whether they are strippers or burger flippers. Bella Dea objected to this, arguing "I don't go to McDonalds to look at the workers. I hardly even look at the workers. I surely don't pay to look at them."

I brought up actors -- nude or dressed -- because Bella's objection doesn't apply to them.

Stray Cat wrote:
In the first situation, I'd say no. The actors are performing a story, and we're going to base our opinion of the movie on the strength of the storyline, and the ability of the actor to assume the characteristics of the role they are playing, and to communicate the emotions involved to us.

Likewise, I imagine, strippers and prostitutes perform a story (titled "you are the sexiest man in the world, and I so want to have monkey sex with you"), and patrons are going to base their opinion of the performance on the strength of the acting, and the ability of the sex worker to assume the characteristics of the role they are playing, and to communicate the emotions involved to us.
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Stray Cat
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 01:22 pm
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You can make a ton of money. Big money is a lure for ANY job.


So why would they want to give up such a lucrative and respectable job for just any guy?
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Thomas
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 01:24 pm
Would they?
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 01:24 pm
Thomas wrote:
Bella Dea wrote:
Sure does....and your point is......

We're not talking about being a lawyer or a physicist are we?

No we aren't. My point is that I don't see anything specific to stripping in the point you made: "I still think that choosing that profession says something about your view of yourself."


I didn't say it just applied to stripping.

But we are taking about stripping.

Should we start a thread on how other professions reflect our views of ourselves?
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 01:26 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Thomas wrote:

Let me assure you that I in no way represent Germany. Walter would faint from frustration if I did.


Thomas represents about 6% (there are a few females among FDP supporters, right, Thomas?) of the German population :wink:


Are you sure you want to use such a specific number?

Being less than scientific will get you in trouble in this thread.

:wink:
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Stray Cat
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 01:30 pm
cj wrote:

I know several that have

Thomas wrote:
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Would they?


Wait! Are you guys saying that you actually know strippers who've run off with a 60 year-old, balding, drunken, used car salesman...... only to continue stripping?

Man!!! THEY REALLY ARE STUPID!!!! Razz
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Slappy Doo Hoo
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 01:53 pm
Stray Cat wrote:
Wait! Are you guys saying that you actually know strippers who've run off with a 60 year-old, balding, drunken, used car salesman...... only to continue stripping?


The 50-something year old used car salesman I used to work with who was fat & balding had a stripper girlfriend. She was about 30 years old, a complete horse face, became addicted to crack then became a crack whore. She was a real winner.

Many women envied her.
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Stray Cat
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 02:05 pm
Laughing
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 02:10 pm
The two strippers I knew were both pretty smart, one a published author, the other raising two kids on her own while working as an aerobics instructor during the day to stay in shape. Both were divorced if that means anything. Neither of them was all that cute either, but they made up for it with their bodies. Whoa.

Now, that little blonde bent over the ice cream... she was pure doll. Not too bright I don't think, but she knew what she was doing. Laughing
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 02:12 pm
kickycan wrote:
How many girls in good high schools do you think want to be strippers when they get out of school? If you are being honest, I submit that the answer can only be "very few, if any at all." Why do you think that is?

How many women put themselves through college by working at strip clubs?

A lot, if Austin is anything to go by....
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 02:14 pm
Stray Cat wrote:
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According to the research article that Jes linked, they are selling the illusion of intimacy.


Whether it is actual intimacy or an illusion of intimacy, I don't think that changes my point. In fact, I think saying that it is an "illusion" that is being bought and sold, validates my point even more.

Also according the the article Jes posted, both parties are aware of the illusion.




How many waitresses get bigger tips by flirting with the barflies? How stripping any different, really?
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kickycan
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 02:16 pm
DrewDad wrote:
kickycan wrote:
How many girls in good high schools do you think want to be strippers when they get out of school? If you are being honest, I submit that the answer can only be "very few, if any at all." Why do you think that is?

How many women put themselves through college by working at strip clubs?

A lot, if Austin is anything to go by....


I smell bullshit...
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 02:18 pm
Confused


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