Stripper as a wife.

However, on that note, our bodies are also the only thing we get that is totally and completely ours and to think that the only way you can succeed at something is to sell (or rent) your person is sad.

Oh joe, not in the same way.

I don't go to McDonalds to look at the workers. I hardly even look at the workers. I surely don't pay to look at them.

You know, the flowers,and the bees ... is just the start. There's a bit to learn.

Don't kid yourself. Those burger flippers at McDonald's are renting out their bodies in the exact same fashion. Hell, I'm renting out my body right now -- after all, if I weren't getting paid, I certainly wouldn't be sitting in this office. Practically everyone rents out their body, or a portion thereof. That's not the exclusive province of strippers.

I'd really like to be taught be you on this subject, cjhsa.

I could email you a biography and a list of my own publication on this subject so that we could discuss it privately after I've read yours?

Don't kid yourself, dude.

Stripping involves an act of intimacy that would normally be reserved for a man and woman who share an actual relationship. A man that loves, cares about, respects and wants to protect the woman, and a woman who loves, cares about and trusts the man.

Sure, you can take sex and exploit it, degrade it to its basest form, and sell it like the burger you used in your last example. You can turn it into nothing more than a "product" that is devoid of any meaning or emotion.

But unlike the kid at McDonalds, the stripper is put in a particularly vulnerable position -- surrounded by guys who are probably drunk and couldn't care less about her.

It's bound to destroy the soul in a way that dosen't even begin to compare to serving a hamburger, or any other menial job you want to use as an example.

But I'm not going to spend any more time trying to explain my point of view to you.

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Don't kid yourself. Those burger flippers at McDonald's are renting out their bodies in the exact same fashion. Hell, I'm renting out my body right now -- after all, if I weren't getting paid, I certainly wouldn't be sitting in this office. Practically everyone rents out their body, or a portion thereof. That's not the exclusive province of strippers.

Don't kid yourself, dude.

Stripping involves an act of intimacy that would normally be reserved for a man and woman who share an actual relationship. A man that loves, cares about, respects and wants to protect the woman, and a woman who loves, cares about and trusts the man.

According to the research article that Jes linked, they are selling the illusion of intimacy.

I suppose some people think nit picking makes them look smart and sophisticated. In truth, they're just walking around with dog **** on their shoes and won't listen to anyone when they tell them they stink.

Well, I'll concede this: It's possible that visiting a strip club is the closest thing to being intimate with a woman that some men have. For whatever reasons -- it's all they've got.

I can also understand that it would be difficult to own up to that.

joe, you're simply being argumentative.

The phrase "this may all be true, but this may all be false" and other such statements that have been said here is pure bull.

It picking at grains of sand when there's a huge pile of dirt that you simply choose to dismiss.

If I step in a pile of dog **** I don't need to look at it under a microscope to tell if it's dog **** or choclate ice cream.

I suppose some people think nit picking makes them look smart and sophisticated. In truth, they're just walking around with dog **** on their shoes and won't listen to anyone when they tell them they stink.

I don't go to McDonalds to look at the workers. I hardly even look at the workers. I surely don't pay to look at them.

As anyone reading any history knows, the fight for women being their own person was/is a hard won battle. Unfortunatley it's also a battle that for some women, if not all, needs to be fought again, and again to maintain that freedom, the right to belong to themselves, and speak for themselves.

that said, those that would choose to put themselves in a position that objectifies them...well, it like a step backwards for the rest of us.