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Stripper as a wife.

 
 
cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 07:32 am
Will someone please get the horrible vision of Walt giving Thomas a lap dance out of my head!! AUGH!!!
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Slappy Doo Hoo
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 07:50 am
Thomas wrote:
Slappy Doo Hoo wrote:
I'll definitely take his opinion over someone who wouldn't otherwise know how to talk to a woman unless he's paying her for it.

Feel free to phantasize about my personal life as much as you want. But given your usually quick wit, why did it take you two days to devise such a lame comeback to this slur of mine?


Why do you think I was talking about you?

And to be honest, I didn't pay any attention to that reply, and I didn't read it through now either. You ever see me quoting & responding to every single sentence?
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 08:01 am
I picked up on that too Slappy. It's happening on blogs all over the place. Remember, it's an election year. If the liberal hounds sense you have conservative hair on your butt, they're all over you like Rosie O'Donnell at a lezbar.

Not that you're conservative or anything....
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Thomas
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 08:06 am
Slappy Doo Hoo wrote:
Why do you think I was talking about you?

Because your post immediately followed mine, and because you addressed it to me. Look:

Thomas wrote:
Slappy Doo Hoo wrote:

Do you feel that strippers represent a normal sample of society when it comes to mental health, or would you agree that a higher percentage of strippers have had childhood issues than those outside working a sex trade?

Feeling has nothing to do with it. I don't know. And because I don't know, and -- unlike you -- don't pretend to know, I presume they're pretty much like the rest of the populations, other things being equal. Of course, I'm always willing to let evidence override my presumptions if someone presents it -- which you haven't.

Slappy Doo Hoo wrote:
There's a lot more evidence they generally have issues than you have showing they're a normal sample... (Emphasis added, T.)

Jespah put up a bunch of links. I put up a "worthless" article. I've heard a sex/health doctor(Dr. Drew) state on his show many times strippers hate men, and most have had some kind of abuse growing up...I'll definitely take his opinion over someone who wouldn't otherwise know how to talk to a woman unless he's paying her for it.

Thus, it was perfectly obvious from the context whose personal life you were targeting with lame innuendo.
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 08:26 am
I haven't gotten into the argument about how many strippers suffer from mental disorders. Could be all of 'em, could be some of 'em, could be none of 'em. I don't know, and I have no anecdotal evidence to draw upon. I've never known any strippers (as far as I'm aware), and I've never been to a strip club. Maybe I need to get out more and broaden my circle of acquaintances.

My point, throughout all of this, is that strippers may choose to degrade themselves in their profession, but then pretty much everybody degrades themselves in a capitalist system. That's the nature of the system. If you want to achieve pure enlightenment, sit on a mountaintop somewhere in the Himalayas, far from the polluting influence of money and the foul taint of wage labor. If not, then shut up and go back to work.

The only reason, it seems to me, that we place special emphasis on the unique degradation suffered by strippers -- rather than, say, on the commonplace degradation suffered by the average retail worker -- is because a stripper's job involves sexual titillation. That, however, leaves me baffled. Why does a job involving sex degrade someone more than, for instance, a job serving fast food or selling kitchen appliances?
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Thomas
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 08:30 am
joefromchicago wrote:
The only reason, it seems to me, that we place special emphasis on the unique degradation suffered by strippers -- rather than, say, on the commonplace degradation suffered by the average retail worker -- is because a stripper's job involves sexual titillation.

Plus, perhaps, the fact that stripping in America is closely linked with prostitution, which is illegal. About as illegal as gay sex and interracial sex were 100 years ago.

joefromchicago wrote:
That, however, leaves me baffled. Why does a job involving sex degrade someone more than, for instance, a job serving fast food or selling kitchen appliances?

Beats me. It leaves me baffled, too.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 08:39 am
8 days ago I've visited the Brooklyn museum. And looked there through the Elizabeth A. Sackler Center for Feminist Art.

A group of middle aged couples asked the guardians on that floor where these exhibitions are presented, "what was worth being looked at".

"Not much," was the answer. "It's all what you really don't want to look at - besides perhaps the 'Dinner Party' ... at least you can tell then others that you saw it." (There's a special exhibition going on right now with some pieces of art which make striptease indeed look PG-13 - like.
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JPB
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 08:48 am
joefromchicago wrote:
Why does a job involving sex degrade someone more than, for instance, a job serving fast food or selling kitchen appliances?


I think it stems from the puritan morality that most Americans are reared by. I can easily imagine my mother (and probably yours) being able to talk to her friends and family about her son/daughter the kitchen appliance salesman, but shunning discussion of an offspring who strips for a living. Oh, the shame of it all....
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 08:56 am
JPB wrote:
joefromchicago wrote:
Why does a job involving sex degrade someone more than, for instance, a job serving fast food or selling kitchen appliances?


I think it stems from the puritan morality that most Americans are reared by. I can easily imagine my mother (and probably yours) being able to talk to her friends and family about her son/daughter the kitchen appliance salesman, but shunning discussion of an offspring who strips for a living. Oh, the shame of it all....

Well then, the solution is obvious: we either make stripping far less shameful in the eyes of the public at large, or else we make every other profession far more shameful. I'm in favor of the latter.
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JPB
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 08:56 am
chai wrote:
In other words, they are doing something they know is "wrong" but they don't want to invest the time and effort to get to know or care for this stranger, they just want her to arouse him. I'm not talking about the few that frequent strip clubs all the time, on a regular basis....I'm sure most men who go there are just once in a while, or even once in a life time thing. Why care or get to know this woman you probably won't ever see again? You just want to look at her. So....if you are the type to think about these things...and don't like the idea of doing someone wrong....you enhance what she is doing to some kind of an art form. She's now a "dancer"
http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2716919#2716919


I've thought about this and I think it sums up the stigma associated with dancers. It also points back to the puritan morality issue. Those who see stripping or going to a strip joint as "wrong" would have a very difficult/impossible time equating a job in the sex trade to slinging burgers or selling refrigerators.
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 09:33 am
joefromchicago wrote:


The only reason, it seems to me, that we place special emphasis on the unique degradation suffered by strippers -- rather than, say, on the commonplace degradation suffered by the average retail worker -- is because a stripper's job involves sexual titillation. That, however, leaves me baffled. Why does a job involving sex degrade someone more than, for instance, a job serving fast food or selling kitchen appliances?


Lack of self respect is not limited to stripping. I don't think strippers are bad people or that they are some how less human. I think they should have the right to do it if they want to do it. We all should be allowed to use our bodies the way we see fit. They are, after all, our own.

However, on that note, our bodies are also the only thing we get that is totally and completely ours and to think that the only way you can succeed at something is to sell (or rent) your person is sad. Like I said, most of the girls I've known who are strippers don't do it because they like it. They do it because it brings in lots of money fast. Can you fault them? No, I suppose not.

If they were just stripping, it might be one thing. The human body can be extremely beautiful and we are sexual in nature. But far too many strippers act as prostitiutes and cross the line to make an extra buck. And that to me says a lot about how you view yourself.

What it comes down to for me, is if you are willing to rent out the one thing in life we get to keep completely to ourselves and can actually put a price on it, you might have some issues with the value of your self.

Anyone can learn to be an accountant or a McDonalds worker. No one can ever be me. And I personally see enough value in myself to not be able to even put a price on what is mine.

Make sense?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 09:43 am
Bella Dea wrote:
But far too many strippers act as prostitiutes and cross the line to make an extra buck. And that to me says a lot about how you view yourself.


Besides that I clearly distinuish between strippers and prostitutes (and 'yes', only a few [here] do both, if at all), prostition is legal here, with tax and social security/health service paying employees (or self-employeds).



What JPB said.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 09:46 am
Yep, in Europe, you can actually pay the government to get an STD.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 09:47 am
cjhsa wrote:
Yep, in Europe, you can actually pay the government to get an STD.


Any source for that? Shocked
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 09:48 am
Yes, your post, right above mine.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 09:49 am
Shocked

You know, the flowers,and the bees ... is just the start. There's a bit to learn.
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 09:53 am
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Bella Dea wrote:
But far too many strippers act as prostitiutes and cross the line to make an extra buck. And that to me says a lot about how you view yourself.


Besides that I clearly distinuish between strippers and prostitutes (and 'yes', only a few [here] do both, if at all), prostition is legal here, with tax and social security/health service paying employees (or self-employeds).



What JPB said.


I still think that the sex industry, regardless of legal or illegal, degrades the person as an individual, making them a commodity rahter than a person. The burger slinger at McDonalds is not the commodity they are selling.

That is just my opinion and has nothing to do with illegal or legal activities.
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 09:56 am
Bella Dea wrote:
However, on that note, our bodies are also the only thing we get that is totally and completely ours and to think that the only way you can succeed at something is to sell (or rent) your person is sad.

Don't kid yourself. Those burger flippers at McDonald's are renting out their bodies in the exact same fashion. Hell, I'm renting out my body right now -- after all, if I weren't getting paid, I certainly wouldn't be sitting in this office. Practically everyone rents out their body, or a portion thereof. That's not the exclusive province of strippers.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 09:58 am
And a burger seller risks loosing her/his job when not sering a customer - something prostitutes (not so strippers, I admit) are proud of having the choice.
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 09:59 am
joefromchicago wrote:
Bella Dea wrote:
However, on that note, our bodies are also the only thing we get that is totally and completely ours and to think that the only way you can succeed at something is to sell (or rent) your person is sad.

Don't kid yourself. Those burger flippers at McDonald's are renting out their bodies in the exact same fashion.


Oh joe, not in the same way.

I don't go to McDonalds to look at the workers. I hardly even look at the workers. I surely don't pay to look at them.
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