Stripper as a wife.

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A sex show is a form of pornographic performance in which the customers pay to see live persons appearing in the nude and often performing some type of sexual activity.

source: wikipedia.com

In Germany (and other European countries) a sex show is a performance where persons corpulate.

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Walter Hinteler wrote:

Chai wrote:

Of course we see the difference...but we call then both strippers (in essence)

Who is "we" here and why do "we" call them so?

Americans are the "we"

Why?

Because it's a catch all phrase here (Amereica) for anyone from doing a classy old fashioned fan dance, to someone having sex with a donkey. From a well paid dancer to a crack head whore.

Why do we do that?

I don't know...why is the moon made of cheese?

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Oregon has very premissive nude dancing laws - probably the most permissive in the States because our Constitution allows that "commercial" free speech enjoys the same rights as "private" free speech.

However, our obscenity laws forbid live sex shows.

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Chai wrote:

Because it's a catch all phrase here (Amereica) for anyone from doing a classy old fashioned fan dance, to someone having sex with a donkey. From a well paid dancer to a crack head whore.

Why do we do that?

I don't know...why is the moon made of cheese?

Obviously some don't - at least those in the books I read, the websites I now looked at ... and the legal definitions are different as well.

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Walter Hinteler wrote:

Quote:
A sex show is a form of pornographic performance in which the customers pay to see live persons appearing in the nude and often performing some type of sexual activity.
source: wikipedia.com

In Germany (and other European countries) a sex show is a performance where persons corpulate.

I know of several strippers who have performed sexual acts on stage.

One instance in particular, (a story from a reliable source) where two strippers engaged in sex with a double sided dildo.

Is that allowed in burlesque? Question

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Re: Stripper as a wife.

cybershoq13 wrote:

Guys-
Would you be able to deal with having a wife who strips for a living, and why? If so, what would your boundaries be?

Gals-
How do you feel about a stripper who gets married and continues stripping? What if the husband is ok with it? What if he isn't? What responsibilities does she have toward her husbands boundaries?

cybershoq13 wrote:

Let's complicate. Before marriage, he said he didn't have a problem with it. She said if he ever did, she loved him more, and would quit. Later both went back on what they said.

I keep wondering if the thread originator is reading along. I also wonder if cybershoq13 is the wife, husband, or neither in this saga.

To answer the first post -- I don't see any reason why a marriage certificate should change a woman's occupation. Particularly if the husband was aware of her work prior to the wedding.

As for the complication -- both parties later going back on what they said is probably more common than not. It doesn't have to be about stripping, it could be about wanting children, working outside the home, taking care of an elderly parent, any number of things.

Couples do well to discuss these things before taking wedding vows. We think we know how we'll feel about certain circumstances, but the reality is, we never really know how we'll react to a situation until we're faced with it.

In this case, husband thought he could deal with it -- turns out he can't. Wife thought she'd be willing to give it up for him -- turns out she won't. Couple has a dilemma that will probably not go away on it's own. There's been much discussion on stereotypes, but I'm curious to hear back from cybershoq13 as to what he/she is looking for.

As to stereotypes .... why do I have the sinking feeling that husband in this saga is a cop?

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Walter Hinteler wrote:

Chai wrote:
Because it's a catch all phrase here (Amereica) for anyone from doing a classy old fashioned fan dance, to someone having sex with a donkey. From a well paid dancer to a crack head whore.

Why do we do that?

I don't know...why is the moon made of cheese?

Obviously some don't - at least those in the books I read, the websites I now looked at ... and the legal definitions are different as well.

let's not turn this into another all or nothing thing walter, obviously you know nothing is 100%.

You understood my point.
There's lots of hole in the walls that don't appear, are written about, or care to be know on the internet, and act quasi outside the law.

I doubt "Scullbangers House of Big Titties" really cares about the letter of the law.

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Bella Dea wrote:

I know of several strippers who have performed sexual acts on stage.

One instance in particular, (a story from a reliable source) where two strippers engaged in sex with a double sided dildo.

Is that allowed in burlesque?

In really good burlesque.

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Bella Dea wrote:

Walter Hinteler wrote:
Quote:
A sex show is a form of pornographic performance in which the customers pay to see live persons appearing in the nude and often performing some type of sexual activity.
source: wikipedia.com

In Germany (and other European countries) a sex show is a performance where persons corpulate.

I know of several strippers who have performed sexual acts on stage.

One instance in particular, (a story from a reliable source) where two strippers engaged in sex with a double sided dildo.

Is that allowed in burlesque?

It might well be.

But I didn't talk about about life sex acts on stage either - which is with a dildo rather harmless, though.

What puzzles me that you don't differ at all.
Don't you differ between plays, ballet, opera, musical, operette .... when you talk about actors?

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Chai wrote:

Because it's a catch all phrase here (Amereica) for anyone from doing a classy old fashioned fan dance, to someone having sex with a donkey.

A woman having sex with a donkey on stage is not a stripper. Rather, she's part of the "donkey act."

I read it in a book.

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Quote:

I doubt "Scullbangers House of Big Titties" really cares about the letter of the law.

Really?

I'll bet he cares very much about it as his business license and liquor license are at stake. His entire business is at stake. And those business' are very closely monitored.

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Walter Hinteler wrote:

Quote:
A sex show is a form of pornographic performance in which the customers pay to see live persons appearing in the nude and often performing some type of sexual activity.
source: wikipedia.com

In Germany (and other European countries) a sex show is a performance where persons corpulate.

copulate*

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Since they are getting paid, maybe "corpulate" is a better word. Laughing

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I didn't even think there were any burlesque shows anymore. But I did a quick google search and it looks like they've made a return.

As far as I know, burlesque shows existed at the same time as vaudeville. Vaudeville was a family variety show, burlesque was an "adults only" form of a vaudeville show -- mainly involving comedians and strippers.

The strippers back then didn't take it all off because they couldn't get away with it back then.

The burlesque shows eventually fell to the wayside as times changed and the laws -- and the general moral atmosphere -- became more liberal. Burlesque shows were eventually replaced by strip clubs -- where the strippers take it all off.

I don't know about these modern day "burlesque shows." From what I saw from my google search, it looks like they're doing the variety show format, like they did way back when -- but I don't how far the strippers in these shows actually go. If they really want to do the "retro" thing, then I would guess they only strip down to bra and panties!

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Setanta wrote:

That's a bullshit answer. If Slappy or Bella Dea said that 99% of strippers are dumb (and i'm not asserting that they have said so), the fact hat you knew one, and that's all you've claimed, one stripper is not evidence that 99% of strippers are not dumb.

Your case is no better than Bella's case, because there are at least thousands of strippers in the world, if not millions, and your having known one is not conclusive about the character of 99% of them.

If I had been the only one posting here, that might have been a remotely reasonable answer.

As it is, in the post you respond to, I explicitly refer not just to the girls I knew, but to the ones they knew, and to all the other people who have posted here.

If seven out of ten people here post that the ones they knew were no dumb, broken headcases, that makes the 99% thing rather unlikely.

Yes, statistically still possible - but somehow it seems unlikely to me ("instinctually", you could say), that all of us, from Noddy to NickFun, just happened upon that 1% of exceptions only.

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Chai wrote:

You know...looking at the people who have posted here...those from Europe vs. those from America, suddenly the problem is so clear.

the Europeans are confused by the Americans assertions. [..]

nimh...perhaps all along you have been talking about the relatively happy existance an European stripper has.
It is simply not so here. And no amount your posting is going to change that. It's simply NOT a respected, admired profession.

I'm sorry, but that doesnt make sense either.

People who have posted here to counter your, Bella's, Slappy's, cjhsa's and Kicky's description of strippers have included three Europeans (Thomas, Walter and I), and just how many Americans?

Noddy, NickFun, JoefromChicago, Miller, Ogyothingemie, Boomerang too I think.. Ive lost track and count by now, to be honest.

The three Europeans here might all share an opinion opposite to yours -- but no way you can say that your opinion just reflects the "American" position, because the Americans here seem to be pretty much divided in two equal halves on the subject.

The fact is that there are just a fair number of posters here who dont share your impression of what all strippers are like, or how strippers are seen. Somehow you find it hard to see their opinion as just a valid disagreement, so you keep coming up with ways to explain it away - they must just be the kind of people who go to stripclubs and have to talk up the strippers so as not to feel guilty about it. Or it must just be cause they're Europeans.

But none of that holds; because you've got Americans here, different kind of people, not or hardly all strip club goers (I dont know who goes or who doesnt, but its clearly not all of em), who just disagree with you.

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nimh....would you get off this 99% thing?

that was settled long ago. while you were gone, the conversation made a valiant attempt at taking an interesting turn.

let's stop with this 99% vs. 1% noddy said joe said kicky said...ok...?

we're all acknowledging the the truth lies somewhere in the middle...you keep trying to make a point everyone has accepted. believe me, we all got your point.

catch up and move on

I'm absolutely begging you by this time nimh...let's move past the exact figures crap. Please.

What's your idea on europe interpretation to america's?

Do people in europe differentiate by different names in your opinion?

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Just out of curosity, are you two married?

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Ragman wrote:

Just out of curosity, are you two married?

jesus christ no.

Both my husband and I live by a code. One one says drop it, the other one does, and f*cking moves on.

I feel I have to apologize to everyone here, but I frankly find this an interesting subject, and am trying to learn.

Perhaps I'm being over emotional, but good god, I have had enogh of listening to someone say "not everyone feels that way" to last me until the end of the year. Let's f*cking move foward.

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Stray Cat wrote:

I didn't even think there were any burlesque shows anymore. But I did a quick google search and it looks like they've made a return.

Coney Island is a pretty big hotspot for burlesque. In fact, I might be going to see one this saturday night after the Mermaid parade.

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