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Stripper as a wife.

 
 
Miller
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2007 01:55 pm
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the life of a stripper is a sad one


The life of a stripper isn't a sad one, when compared to the life of a single mother who has a limited source of income and 5 starving kids.

That's sad...
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2007 01:57 pm
That one individual has a sad life which is arguably worse than that of another is no good reason to assert that that other individual does not in fact have a sad life.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2007 02:05 pm
kickycan wrote:

Burlesque is a different thing, by the way. I would not put burlesque show entertainers in the same class as strippers. Totally different environment. Maybe what we Americans think of as burlesque is what Europeans think of as strippers.


Well, it's one kind of stiptease - actually (in America) the origianal one.

Certainly we've hard-core "strip-" shows (with live sex acts) here as well.
But I would consider that more pornografic.
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Chai
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2007 02:16 pm
Setanta wrote:
That one individual has a sad life which is arguably worse than that of another is no good reason to assert that that other individual does not in fact have a sad life.



Really,

Apples and oranges miller....you could say that about any 2 individuals. I'm not comparing anything.

I'm saying....It's a sad life. Not in comparison to anyone...it was a stand alone statement.

walter...I was doing a tad of reading, and think I know where kicky's coming from.

just the odd (as in random phrase) I picked up here and there that leads one to suspect there is some difference in the level of, for lack of a better word...smut.

Also...I don't know what you mean by having "hard-Core" "live sex" shows and saying you consider them "more porographic."

That's what I think kicky, I, and others are saying...there is no (or not at much) differentation here between a person dancing on a stage, and someone ingaged in a sex act. We would call them both, in general terms strippers.

Perhaps that's where some Europeans are thinking americans prudish. You're thinking strippers are one thing, and then there's other levels that are more graphic.

Not so here.
Of course there are nicer places, and dives but here I think it's more "in for a penny, in for a pound"

You're a stripper here, you're bound to do anything (I'm saying that metaphorically)
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2007 02:26 pm
kickycan wrote:
And that's just a couple of them.

Burlesque is a different thing, by the way. I would not put burlesque show entertainers in the same class as strippers. Totally different environment. Maybe what we Americans think of as burlesque is what Europeans think of as strippers.


Exactly.

Burlesque is different than stripping.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2007 02:27 pm
Bella Dea wrote:
Exactly.

Burlesque is different than stripping.


You should read a bit about that before posting such.
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2007 02:28 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:


Well, it's one kind of stiptease - actually (in America) the origianal one.

Certainly we've hard-core "strip-" shows (with live sex acts) here as well.
But I would consider that more pornografic.


Strippers in the US at "gentlemen's clubs" don't do burlesque.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2007 02:30 pm
Well, according the literature I used for my year's paper (which happened ome time ago - so indeed the historical and actual facts might have changed) I came to that conclusion.
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2007 02:38 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Bella Dea wrote:
Exactly.

Burlesque is different than stripping.


You should read a bit about that before posting such.


Burlesque is so much different! I can't believe you'd even say that modern stripping is even remotely close to burlesque...except that in both the women take their clothes off.

If you told a burlesque dancer she was the same as a stripper at the local dive, she'd probably be offended.
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2007 02:44 pm
Not to mention, real burlesque dancers wear pasties (usually), don't bend over and stick their ass up the guy in the front rows nose, grab their crotches, rub their nipples, wrap their legs around poles, hump the stage, etc....

I am just floored that you think burlesque and stripping at a strip club are the same thing.

Stripping is baudy. Burlesque is sexy.
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Chai
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2007 02:45 pm
See!!??

I think we're hitting the nail on the head here!

Some are defining strippers as burlesque, others as anything up to, and including, live sex shows!!

Totally, totally totally different.

Is this where the problem has been?
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Ragman
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2007 02:48 pm
yes..and what one person saw in stage show that involved women (or men) taking their clothes off is not the same as the other just as the individual community standards vary. What one person calls burlesque and one community might call it varies. So this confusion over semantics might be about varied interpretation...partly.
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2007 02:51 pm
I don't know how anyone could mistake burlesque for modern stripping.

It's completely and utterly different.

Men don't do burlesque.

Burlesque is meant to be a strip tease not a "here's all my goodies dance". It's meant to leave some mystery.

There ain't no mystery left on any stripper at a strip club. There is little, if anything left on. You could probably look up most of their a**holes.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2007 02:53 pm
Bella Dea wrote:
You could probably look up most of their a**holes.


Uhm . . . no thanks. How 'bout you do it, and tell me what you thought?
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boomerang
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2007 03:09 pm
Some of you really don't see a difference between a "naked" dancing woman and a live sex show?

Really?

I put naked in quotations because most states don't allow truly naked dancing.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2007 03:11 pm
Naw, Boom . . . that's just the Yer-a-peein's trying, as always, to make the Americans appear provincial and uninformed.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2007 03:19 pm
Bella Dea wrote:
I don't know how anyone could mistake burlesque for modern stripping.

It's completely and utterly different.

Men don't do burlesque.

Burlesque is meant to be a strip tease not a "here's all my goodies dance". It's meant to leave some mystery.

There ain't no mystery left on any stripper at a strip club. There is little, if anything left on. You could probably look up most of their a**holes.


Men do burlesque, and burlesque IS striptease.

See e.g.: Rachel Shteir: Striptease - The Untold History of the Girlie Show, Oxford University Press, 2006
(Sheir is the head of dramaturgy, The Theatre School, DePaul University. That book is the latest and most comprehensive on the history of striptease.)
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Chai
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2007 03:20 pm
boomerang wrote:
Some of you really don't see a difference between a "naked" dancing woman and a live sex show?

Really?

I put naked in quotations because most states don't allow truly naked dancing.


Of course we see the difference...but we call then both strippers (in essence)

A guy, or bunch of guys going out are going to say "we're going to a strip club" or some similar phrase like titty bar or whatever...

but what goes ON in there might run the gamet. I can't see an American guy saying "we're going to a live sex show" or making a really fine point about what level of club it is when telling someone where they're going.

Did you see Requiem for a Dream? Really sad movie...yes sad because it shows the slide to hell two basically nice people went through. At the end, the girl...well, let's just say it made me cry and kept me awake that night. It was also a very good movie. However, if you had to throw out a quick term, without thinking, about what she was...you'd say stripper.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2007 03:22 pm
Chai wrote:

Of course we see the difference...but we call then both strippers (in essence)


Who is "we" here and why do "we" call them so?
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boomerang
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2007 03:22 pm
No, no.... not just the Europeans. I think there were a few Americans saying they didn't see a difference either. I'll have to go back and look....
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