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ADVICE NEEDED-I'm about to lose my wife

 
 
vstrong
 
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Reply Fri 22 Dec, 2006 02:49 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
vstrong wrote:
I believe that there is no excuse for her to allow herself to have feeelings for another man while in a committed marriage that was taken with vows under God in the Christian church.


"No excuse"?

You've detailed (somewhat) the excuse, the reasons for her questioning her feelings. She may not be lily-white in this, but the last thing you ought to be doing now is telling her her feelings aren't justified. They are what they are. If you are not willing to forgive her for possibly having those feelings, discover the reason she had those feelings, and make the changes needed, you aren't ready to continue in this relationship.

My guess: The other guy was listening to her ... he was satisfying that part of her that needed that ... and you weren't meeting that emotional need of hers.

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I'm so lost now on how to handle myself. I'm in the f'ing very angry stage right now. Im so mad at her. i dont want to follow her around and poiut around saying "I love you" anymore. I think I need to show her that I can handle this and almost scare her a little into thinking "I could possibly lose him?". Cause right now, she knows she has me by the balls.


By all means, adopt that attitude and watch how quickly your marriage dissolves.


1. I am NOT telling her feelings aren't justified. Not at all. I have even told her I know I pushed you to this point
2. I'm just not sure what to do now. If I act all lovey and go out of my way to do everything for her, she may think i am pathetic and always there and she can walk all over me. I want her to have some doubt in her head that I may possibly say "get the F out of here".
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Fri 22 Dec, 2006 02:50 pm
vStrong wrote:
I believe that there is no excuse for her to allow herself to have feeelings for another man while in a committed marriage that was taken with vows under God in the Christian church.


Really! So now you are second guessing her on her feelings! Shocked I could understand your attitude she had had an affair. But she didn't, and was honest enough to tell you that she had feelings for another man.

I think that you have a lot of anger issues that you need to deal with, before you can even attempt to repair your marriage. I would suspect that if you insist on your staying on your high horse, you have lost, before you have started.

I was one of the most supportive of you on this thread, before you made that statement. Now I am not so sure. Didn't your religion teach you anything about forgiveness?

Apparently, you are very judgemental, and do not seem to take much stock in what part YOUR behavior had in the reaching of this juncture.
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vstrong
 
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Reply Fri 22 Dec, 2006 02:52 pm
sozobe wrote:
vstrong, have you made note of the point JPB's been making? I very much agree with her. Attractions happen. That isn't something that, in and of itself, needs to be forgiven or is so wrong. Acting on it, yes. Merely thinking it, no. Actions can be controlled to an extent that thoughts can't.

Now, I think she probably handled the whole thing poorly -- telling you that she had these feelings might have opened a can of worms to an extent that she didn't really expect. She may not have thought things through all the way, just kind of blurted what was on her mind.

But if you make it a sin to merely think about another person while married, you're not only going to be alienating her now (since it's something she's already done) but setting an impossibly high bar for the future.

I think you need to start separating out your own inchoate jealousy, which you're entitled to but which is dangerous, from what she actually has (or hasn't) done.


Beleive me, I am reading every response and taking notes.
Having emotional "i like you" feeling for another man while married is not right, in my mind, in her mind, in everyone I have talked to's mind. She has an emotional attraction for this person. I have no idea if she has acted on it or not. She says no, but i'd say there is a slim chance it may have happened.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Fri 22 Dec, 2006 02:53 pm
Re: point #2, I completely agree with Tico.

You agree that you have some culpability here. There isn't some switch that you flick and it's all over. You have to take the time to convince her that you're over your self-centered phase, and what you propose is the absolute last way to do so.

What is her opinion of going to the counselor tomorrow? Is she for it, willing? If so, especially since it's so soon, just focus on that. Surely you can be patient for a single day? Less than 24 hours? Then go from there.
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vstrong
 
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Reply Fri 22 Dec, 2006 02:57 pm
Phoenix32890 wrote:
vStrong wrote:
I believe that there is no excuse for her to allow herself to have feeelings for another man while in a committed marriage that was taken with vows under God in the Christian church.


Really! So now you are second guessing her on her feelings! Shocked I could understand your attitude she had had an affair. But she didn't, and was honest enough to tell you that she had feelings for another man.

I think that you have a lot of anger issues that you need to deal with, before you can even attempt to repair your marriage. I would suspect that if you insist on your staying on your high horse, you have lost, before you have started.

I was one of the most supportive of you on this thread, before you made that statement. Now I am not so sure. Didn't your religion teach you anything about forgiveness?

Apparently, you are very judgemental, and do not seem to take much stock in what part YOUR behavior had in the reaching of this juncture.


I think you took my statement the worng way. I am willing to forgive her. I am allowed my opinion in thinking that being emotionally attracted to another man and allowing it to potentially end your marriage is wrong.

I do not think that she wanted whats has happened, to happen. I'm not sure where you get the angry part, but I do have some anger issues and am going ot be working on those next week hopefully (counseling).

All I am is a painfully, destroyed, hurt man, who is willing to do whatever it takes to get my wife back. I understand the errors of my ways, I want to fix them, I also want, first and foremost, her to be happy, but I would of course prefer that to be in our marriage.

VS
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sozobe
 
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Reply Fri 22 Dec, 2006 02:59 pm
vstrong wrote:
Having emotional "i like you" feeling for another man while married is not right, in my mind, in her mind, in everyone I have talked to's mind. She has an emotional attraction for this person.


That's simply not realistic. I think that over the course of a long marriage, it will happen, period. (I've been with my husband for over a dozen years, it's happened to me and I assume it's happened to him but neither of us have seen a need to share that particular info. Nothing came of any of my brief "I like you" feelings.)

The sin is not in the thoughts but in how they're handled. (By that I mean 1) whether the thoughts are acted on, 2) whether the person with the thoughts says something about it and 3) how the person who is told about the partner's thoughts react to it.)

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I have no idea if she has acted on it or not. She says no, but i'd say there is a slim chance it may have happened.


Isn't that significant to you at all? Isn't there a rather large divide between thinking and doing?
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vstrong
 
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Reply Fri 22 Dec, 2006 03:01 pm
sozobe wrote:

Isn't that significant to you at all? Isn't there a rather large divide between thinking and doing?


Its HUGE. I don't know if I would even be considering taking her back if she did. I scared to death what she may tell me or the counselor.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 22 Dec, 2006 03:05 pm
vstrong wrote:
I'm not sure where you get the angry part, ...


Earlier, vstrong wrote:
I'm in the f'ing very angry stage right now. Im so mad at her.


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vstrong wrote:
All I am is a painfully, destroyed, hurt man, who is willing to do whatever it takes to get my wife back. I understand the errors of my ways, I want to fix them, I also want, first and foremost, her to be happy, but I would of course prefer that to be in our marriage.


I suggest you take the good advice given on this thread to heart (ignoring the bad advice, of course. :wink: ), and go to counseling -- whether tomorrow or in the near future -- and be sure to explain to your wife your feelings, and express your desire to repair the breech. To do that, you need to understand what her concerns are. You need to empathize, and listen. Most marital difficulties result from poor communication. Let me repeat that ... most marital difficulties result from poor communication. The counselor can facilitate that communication, but will not work miracles.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Fri 22 Dec, 2006 03:05 pm
Can you use that to help put it in perspective, then?

Again, for now, my advice is to just be patient and give her some space for the measly 22 hours or so until the appointment with the counselor. Once that's happened, you might have some more tools to deal with this. I don't want to build up the counselor as an instant miracle, though, another version of a switch to flick -- no matter what, no matter who's to blame, no matter who is right and who is wrong, you guys are in a tough spot and it will take work to get out of it. That doesn't mean it's impossible, but you have to be willing to work. Your last several posts make it sound like you don't really have the patience for that.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Fri 22 Dec, 2006 03:06 pm
(I hadn't seen Tico's post yet when I wrote mine, honest!) (Obviously, I agree with him.)
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Fri 22 Dec, 2006 03:10 pm
vStrong- I sense an anger within you, that if you don't keep it under control, you WILL lose your wife. There us nothing for you to forgive. You are two fallible human beings, who got off the right track, and you are attempting to fix your relationship.

Sure, you are hurt. You would not be human if you weren't. I would suggest though, that you let that anger dissipate, if you want to save your marriage. Woulda, coulda, shoulda.................Whatever happened, happened, and carping on it will simply intensify the breach between you.

I am not suggesting that you never talk about it. You may need to do just that, under the watchful eye of the professional therapist, who will keep things in perspective, if she is any good at her profession.

There is an old song, "It Takes Two to Tango". You and your wife are a team, and placing blame on one or the other solves nothing. You need to discuss your differences in an attitude of " We are having a problem. Let's see what we both can do better to fix this", rather than placing blame, which solves nothing.

Good luck with the therapist tomorrow. You and your wife have a lot of hard work to do, and it won't be easy. But you CAN do it! Very Happy
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 22 Dec, 2006 03:16 pm
sozobe wrote:
(I hadn't seen Tico's post yet when I wrote mine, honest!) (Obviously, I agree with him.)


Great minds, soz. Very Happy
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Fri 22 Dec, 2006 03:19 pm
Oh, when you talk to your wife, own your statements. By this I mean instead of saying something like, "You really piss me off when you do such and such", try to say something like, "I really become hurt and upset when you do such and such". In other words, you are refocusing your statements to reflect your feelings towards something that has happened, rather than blaming her for the happening.

What you will be doing is deflecting the blame away from her, and letting her know how something has affected you. In that way, she is far less likely to become defensive, which does nothing to solve the problem.
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JPB
 
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Reply Fri 22 Dec, 2006 03:26 pm
vstrong wrote:
sozobe wrote:

Isn't that significant to you at all? Isn't there a rather large divide between thinking and doing?


Its HUGE. I don't know if I would even be considering taking her back if she did. I scared to death what she may tell me or the counselor.


Taking her BACK???? Where did you ship her off to? What do you mean take her back? She hasn't gone anywhere. You're the one closing doors and putting barriers up making yourself out to be the injured party. She hasn't done anything other than react to the situation you put her in. Maybe she needs to consider whether she'll take you back rather than the other way around.
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JPB
 
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Reply Fri 22 Dec, 2006 03:28 pm
I'm beginning to agree with Gus.
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vstrong
 
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Reply Fri 22 Dec, 2006 03:34 pm
Phoenix32890 wrote:
Oh, when you talk to your wife, own your statements. By this I mean instead of saying something like, "You really piss me off when you do such and such", try to say something like, "I really become hurt and upset when you do such and such". In other words, you are refocusing your statements to reflect your feelings towards something that has happened, rather than blaming her for the happening.

What you will be doing is deflecting the blame away from her, and letting her know how something has affected you. In that way, she is far less likely to become defensive, which does nothing to solve the problem.


This is exactly what I do. This week I have been so kind and open minded. I have not put ANY blame on her, I have only said that she is hurting me.

I think some of you are missing the point here, and its probably my fault, but I am not 100% sure she is comitted to giving this relationship a try. I think she is still trying to figure that out on her own.

She is going out tonight witgh friends and has even told me she "wants to tlak to them about this".

So its not like we both sat down and said "we need to make this work". Its me asking her to give me another chance to prove to her that I can be the man she loved and married just 14 months ago (although we have been together 8 years, living togther for 5) and make her happy. Cause that is all that really matters here. Is that we are happy.
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kickycan
 
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Reply Fri 22 Dec, 2006 03:58 pm
Take it to the nudie bar, dude. Trust me.

Or you could go with the other advice you're getting here, which amounts to, "remove your own balls with a paring knife--you won't be needing them from this point forward. But at least you'll still have your owner--I mean your wife."
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JPB
 
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Reply Fri 22 Dec, 2006 04:03 pm
vstrong wrote:
I believe that there is no excuse for her to allow herself to have feeelings for another man while in a committed marriage that was taken with vows under God in the Christian church.


vstrong wrote:


1. I am NOT telling her feelings aren't justified. Not at all. I have even told her I know I pushed you to this point


Her feeling are justified, you pushed her to this point and yet there is no excuse for her to allow herself to have these justified feelings. You're f'ing mad and you are thinking of playing bullshit games about making her think you might tell her to 'Get the F out'.

wowsah! Good luck, vstrong.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 22 Dec, 2006 04:12 pm
kickycan wrote:
Take it to the nudie bar, dude. Trust me.

Or you could go with the other advice you're getting here, which amounts to, "remove your own balls with a paring knife--you won't be needing them from this point forward. But at least you'll still have your owner--I mean your wife."


There is a reason kicky is not married.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Fri 22 Dec, 2006 04:22 pm
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vStrong wrote:
This is exactly what I do. This week I have been so kind and open minded. I have not put ANY blame on her, I have only said that she is hurting me.


Sure you are. "I have only said that she is hurting me". If that is not putting blame on her, I don't know what is.

A better way would have been for you to say, "I am really hurting from this whole situation". That takes the blame away, and focuses on the problem.

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Ticomaya wrote:
There is a reason kicky is not married.


Ya got that right, dude!


vStrong- I am curious. From what you have been writing, I have inferred that your wife does a lot of late night going out with her friends. Do YOU go out with her on any regular basis?
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