The Liberals Lack Of Morality

i don't advocate bringing the troops home and causing a power vaccum, i think you guys shouldn't be there at all, you should be helping my country men clean up the problems in afghanistan, if you'd made that your priority after 9/11, and had invested all your efforts there, there would have been plenty of time to invade iraq a few years later

instead you've done a half assed job of two wars and have squandered the the sympathies and support many countries had for you after September 2001

Setanta wrote:

RexRed wrote:

And what WMD did Saddam use on the Kurds, his good looks?

Hell no, he used the chemical weapons old Rummy sold him just after he showed up in Baghdad with a shiteatin' grin on his face to shake old Saddam's hand . . .

Actually congress voted to give Rummy the power to give those weapons to Iraq... (if you want to play the blame game bring it on.)

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The problem is that "you don't think"...

Do you believe that an objective observer of this thread would come to the conclusion that the problem is that 'I don't think?'

I ask in all seriousness

Cycloptichorn

i think your just looking for a blame for your failure, the war effort was seriously understated, not enough troops and i suspect not enough concept of what or who you were fighting, an idealogy is the toughest opponent there is

there's whole books written about the war in vietnam, perhaps some of the geerals should have read one before they embarked on this mission

RexRed wrote:

Setanta wrote:

RexRed wrote:

And what WMD did Saddam use on the Kurds, his good looks?

Hell no, he used the chemical weapons old Rummy sold him just after he showed up in Baghdad with a shiteatin' grin on his face to shake old Saddam's hand . . .

Actually congress voted to give Rummy the power to give those weapons to Iraq... (if you want to play the blame game bring it on.)

No, that was Reagan Administration policy, and he did not need congressional approval, nor did he seek it. You're just making **** up now, Rex, but we're used to that.

The "Shaking Hands with Saddam: The U.S. Tilts toward Iraq, 1980-1984" page, of the National Security Agency briefing book, at George Washington University.

You know, Rex, you'll always do better if you educate yourself, rather than just making up **** which agrees with what you would like to believe.

Djjd, the officers at the Pentagon did advise against the invasion, and then advised that if it were going to take place, that there be more forces, that there be civil affairs officers, that there be large detachments of military police for the occupation--and Rummy ignored them all, and overrode all objections. This is not one you can blame on the military men, who knew better.

Go to the George Washington University site, Rex. They aren't a "left wing rag"--and they are using the documents of the National Security Agency.

You conveniently decided that when your source said "approval of the US Government" meant the Congress. It didn't. It meant the Reagan administration. The information is all right there at George Washington University, and it directly quotes NSA breifing books.

Dream on Rex.

If you read such a report, it should be a simple matter to link your evidence. I've linked mine, and i am not prepared to believe any of your bullshit without supporting evidence. As is my experience of you posting, it is always the case that you rant, but you provide no evidence.

This from the one link Rex did provide:

February, 1982. Despite objections from congress, President Reagan removes Iraq from its list of known terrorist countries. [1]

http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/arming_iraq.php

It seems to directly contradict your claim that congress was complicit.

During the Vietnam era, the acclaimed historian Henry Steele Commager had this to say: ( I remember it quite closely)

If you are not prepared to put 5 million troops on the Indo-china peninsula, don't put one on..

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I was working as a guard in a bank at the time, 12 am to 8 am. During a coffee break, a new employee, a young man who had been in Vietnam in the advisor stage. He was backing the involvement of the USA. I asked him if he had heard of Commager. He replied, "No. but when we send in 5,000 Marines, those gooks won't know what hit them."

I think the USA had a perception that most other countries, especiaily third world ones, are inferior and incapable of winning a war against the USA.

Vietnam was an example of arrogance and stupidity. And so is Iraq. Things haven't changed.

How moral is a man who lays with another man and ignores Leviticus that it is an abomination for a man to lay with mankind and that he should be stoned to death. This man tends to feel he is religious.