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Mid-life crisis

 
 
Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jun, 2006 06:19 pm
bfrgprncess- Welcome to A2K! Very Happy
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jun, 2006 06:55 am
Freedomelf--

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I'm afraid he'll understand his needing to sow them now.


Never having sowed wild oats means that a man is entitled to break his marriage vows? Remember: "Forsaking all others as long as ye both shall live"?

Wild Oats Entitlement? Dinosaur dung!

Your husband has convinced you that his little fling was necessary for his growth and maturation. He thinks that a reputable marriage counselor is going to agree with him--and convince you that the little fling was necessary and moral.

Let's play a few bars of "Frankie and Johnnie" here:

He was her man
But he done her wrong.

He's got "forsaking all others as long as ye both shall live" nicely rationalized. He's put you--and your kids through hell--and he wants to excuse himself on the grounds of Wild Oats and Personal Growth.

The turmoil your husband is going through is his problem of his making. The turmoil you are going through is your problem--but he created your problem.

Have you had a backrub yet? Who is doing the laundry? Does he listen to your hurt and grief the way you listen to his masuline angst and internal conflict?

I think your counseling session may well be a pleasant surprise for you.
I certainly hope so.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jun, 2006 07:43 am
Freedomelf wrote:
I think that MAYBE he is thinking that if he can't convince me that what he is going through is normal, maybe another man can. It's possible that he thinks a male counselor might make me understand him better and not be so upset by what he has done....I don't know. But anyway, he is looking forward to it.


But, you've accepted that it's normal and have been extraordinarily understanding and forgiving. What's left to convince you of? Just because it's normal doesn't make it ok. It's normal for two year olds to throw tantrums, but we don't deal with those as if they are acceptable. His feelings are normal. His actions are not acceptable.
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Freedomelf
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jun, 2006 09:00 am
yes, I see what you are saying, noddy and free. And yes, I've been trying to rationalize, but no, I don't think what he has done is acceptable.

Last night we were talking a lot, and he told me that he was sorry he told me that he "might have been hasty" in saying he loved me more. He told me that who he loves more seems to change by the hour. And he actually told me that there were some things about me that were much better than her, even in the sex department, which surprised him when he remembered what he missed about our sex. I don't know whether he thought that it would change my mind about where he sleeps, but it didn't....not for now. It just gave my ego a bit of a boost.

I'm beginning to see myself as having been desperate to find a way to make him acceptable and "normal" again to me, in order for me to rationalize my desire to keep him and renew our marriage. I am trying to separate myself from my obsession with "winning back" my husband, and the more I do that, the less his behavior is acceptable to me.

Don't get me wrong.....I STILL love him, and want him to stay home and tell me how desperately sorry he is and what an idiot he has been, but the longer he doesn't, the less understanding and forgiving I feel. I wrote him a long letter yesterday telling him that he can take all the time he needs to decide.....but don't think that my feelings aren't evolving while his are doing the same. And that evolution may not be something that he likes. I am still trying to cope....and that means I am discovering new ways to cope without him, since I am not really "with" him yet.

I am dreading the therapy session a little less now. Although my husband said something really strange this morning.....he said that he wonders if it would be better for HIM to have therapy first, since he is in so much greater need of it than I am. He wondered if it would be all right with me for him to go alone today, and for the next few sessions, then to bring me into it later.

I told him that I didn't think that was a good idea.......I'm beginning to suspect that he wants to "psych out" the therapist to see whether or not he will tell me what he wants me to hear BEFORE we go. Yeah, right......I wasn't just thrown off the turnip wagon! He can't go to therapists until he finds one that agrees with him, and then bring me in to the sessions!

Although....he tells me that that thought never entered his head...and he really does think that he needs therapy alone, just to help us. But I told him that if he wants therapy alone, he can have it....but we are STILL going to the counsellor together today. He finally agreed with that.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jun, 2006 09:04 am
Him doing therapy isn't a bad idea, but he can choose a different therapist for that. You guys need both. He can even ask this therapist for a recommendation.
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jun, 2006 03:10 pm
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I am dreading the therapy session a little less now. Although my husband said something really strange this morning.....he said that he wonders if it would be better for HIM to have therapy first, since he is in so much greater need of it than I am. He wondered if it would be all right with me for him to go alone today, and for the next few sessions, then to bring me into it later.



I hope one of the first things that you and the therapist get through his head is that your marriage is not all about him.

If he's having a crisis, better than he work it through by talking to a therapist than by making the two-backed beast with Brenda.

All the same, he needs to understand that you are growing weary of waiting-waiting-waiting and eventually weariness and contempt will kill love.
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Tino
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jun, 2006 06:18 pm
I had two deeply contrasting experiences of counselling.

The first time I was very unhappy with my partner but got blamed for everything, or so it seemed to me.

RELATE, which is the major relationship counselling service in Britain, did have abit of a reputation as "man-haters" but I chose not to believe it.

That was until my then partner bottled out of the appointment but I didn't want to let them down [besides thought it might be of some use] although I wasn't sure where the office was so ended up phoning them from a public house [just nipped in to use the phone as there were no phone boxes in sight].

Phoned them asking for directions, they asked where I was so I told them, thinking nothing of it, until I got there in a sweat from my rush not to be late and this woman asked me - noticing me wiping my brow - "is that alcohol withdrawal?"

As an opening gambit to say that it felt like a putdown is probably an understatement.

The following week my partner did deign to turn up and it was all about her. She played that bloody counsellor like a violen with a rush of tears and "Yes, I do want to save the relationship"...which wasn't what she was saying to me at home, whilst I was left stumbling with a "Well..I don't know...thought that was why we were here?"

Then week 3 partner refuses to go again, having put in her "star" performance.

By then I was so peeved off with it all that I only went back because I had a tape recorder in my pocket and I wanted to snare this counsellor saying some of the one sided things that she was but I was foiled when she greeted me personally at the door, looking totally crestfallen that partner wasn't with me, but it meant she heard the click as I activated the recorder so of course she denied everything and became surprisingly two sided.

I would have reported her as well. I was that annoyed.

These are people's lives they are messing with; not an opportunity to climb up on a personal platform of sex politics.


However I did have a much better experience later that ultimately lead to me escaping from that relationship; that made me see how my self esteem was non-existent, that asked me to think about how I felt and gave me confidence in those feelings and enabled me to act upon them.

The second counsellor was a woman too [before anybody accuses me of sex politics] but then I always felt uneasy about talking in-depth to men.

She made me realise how you can get bullied and beaten down by a relationship even when you think you are in control. My inclination to take the blame, her inclination not to take any blame, the withholding of sex, it all grinds you down even when you think that you are too intelligent for that to happen to you.

Counselling can indeed open your eyes, but if there's any sign of then taking sides as happened to me the first time, don't put up with it because it will just make things worse.
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the prince
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jun, 2006 01:36 am
Tino, another 4 months, and I will know excatly what you are talking abt. Mid life is abt to hit big time....

That is why I am trying to surround myself with as many beautiful men as possible...
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Freedomelf
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jun, 2006 09:24 am
Tino, I guess that is what I was afraid of with counseling….that it would be one-sided, especially with a male counselor. Anyway, it didn't turn out the way I thought it would.

He was very nice. He's been a therapist for 25 years, and his wife is also a therapist in the same building. I thought we were going to focus on my husband and what he has been doing and feeling, but the therapist seemed to want to know a lot about how I was feeling about what hubby did. He also seemed to be less focused on the "decision" that hubby has to make, as to who he loves more, and more focused on getting him to understand what he has put me through, and put the family through, and put HIMSELF through. I didn't think he was biased, because he did tell me that about 15 percent of men go through the "bad" mid-life crisis and another 30% go through a moderately bad crisis. We mentioned the eye-color change, and he also told me that, ironically, that is the SAME percentage of men that, at the time of entering puberty, have their eye color change…..ie, 15%

Hubby's eye color changed from blue to brown when he entered puberty, and funnily enough, his eye color has recently changed to green…..just within the last couple of months. I had never heard about eye color change as an indicator of sexual hormones out of whack, and I think very few people have because I googled it and it didn't come up. But the therapist told me that he had seen it before. Sometimes the change is so slight that the person doesn't even notice it, but if they really looked hard, they would see it WAS different. In my husband's case, the difference is incredible, and he did say that was unusual….for it to be that apparent.

So he wanted me to know that the chemicals flooding my husband's brain really were driving him mad. But he seemed to think that the focus should not be on his making a decision between me and her….particularly since it is apparent the chemicals are still affecting his judgment. In fact, he recommended that we don't even talk about her for the next few weeks, and just concentrate on US. He said that there will come a time when he does have to talk about her, but he doesn't think it's a good idea to rush that.

The main thing to focus on, for the next few weeks at least, is to understand both parties feelings and how to repair the damage caused and to bring back the love, and how the marriage has changed because of what has happened, and how to improve the marriage and find ways to openly communicate so that problems can be prevented in the future. It made sense to me. I am not sure if it did to hubby. He walked away saying that, in one way it was good, because he thought all the pressure would be on him, and he would feel like he was on the "hot seat." That didn't happen. But in another way, he thought it was bad because he needs to get Brenda out of his head, permanently, and to be told not to think about making a decision for the next few weeks was kind of irritating. I have to admit, I was disappointed in that as well. I do want it to be completely over with Brenda, and being told to concentrate on "us" for the next few weeks instead of his decision was hard and it made me uneasy. But we are going back next week. All in all, I am happy with the experience. (Surprisingly, he thought my being older was a "non-issue"…..imagine that! Smile )
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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jun, 2006 09:32 am
Sounds great, Freedomelf! For what it's worth, I completely agree with your therapist about taking the focus off of Brenda. Because that's part of what the decision thing is -- yes Brenda or no Brenda? How does Brenda compare to you? Etc., etc. There's no way for your husband to make the decision about Brenda without Brenda being very much a presence.

Your hubby hasn't decided yet, and has shown a lot of immaturity (chemically-induced or no) in this whole process. It's very likely he'd struggle with this question a while yet, and actually enjoy the limbo aspect -- he gets your goodwill and the possibility of Brenda too.

If the excuse of thinking about her in the guise of making the decision (which would likely take quite a while) is removed, he can maybe start to really focus on you and your relationship, which I think all of us agree he needs to do.

So, yay therapist! Glad you found a good one.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jun, 2006 09:41 am
I agree with soz and your therapist. It only makes sense that if your husband is not thinking rationally because of the chemicals in his brain, then he should not be making decisions with permanent consequences until that has subsided. He's right, this isn't about Brenda. I'm glad you had such a positive experience with the therapist.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jun, 2006 10:19 am
freedomelf-It sounds like your therapist is right on target. You are very lucky!
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Freedomelf
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jun, 2006 10:21 am
Yes, now in looking at it, I guess that is true. I'll try to get my mind off Brenda. I hope he will do the same. Thanks, it makes me feel better that others agree. Smile
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Mame
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jun, 2006 11:06 am
Coindidentally, this was sent to me (obvious a joke) by email this morning...

A middle-age man's story…

Well, it's not a midlife crisis, but here's how things worked out for me.
Married 39 years, took a look at my wife one day and said, "Honey, 39
years ago, we had a cheap apartment, a cheap car, slept on a sofa bed
and watched a 10 inch black and white TV, but I got to sleep every night
with a hot 19 year old brunette.

Now, we have a nice house, nice car, big bed and plasma screen TV, but
I'm sleeping with a 58 year old woman. It seems to me that you are not
holding up your side of things."

My wife is a very reasonable woman.

She told me to go out and find a hot 25 year old blond, and she would
make sure that I would once again be living in a cheap apartment,
driving a cheap car, sleeping on a sofa bed....
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jun, 2006 12:12 pm
Mame- I love it! Very Happy
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Mame
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jun, 2006 12:32 pm
Smile Just trying to provide a little light relief on a stressful situation...

not that my first line didn't do that - 'coindidentally'? LMAO (just try saying it!!) and 'obvious' a joke? I should check before I hit Submit!
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jun, 2006 01:20 pm
Freedomelf--

Your therapist is right on target. You aren't in couples therapy because Mr. F is having a mid life crisis. You're in couples therapy to try to save a marriage.

This is not all about Mr. F--this is about you both. Your wants and needs are just as important as his wants and needs.

He may need/want to talk about Brenda, but whatever happens Brenda is not a part of your marriage.

When do you see the counsellor again?
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Freedomelf
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jun, 2006 02:25 pm
We are going once a week. It would be nice to go more often, but $100 a week is manageable, but $200 a week is a budget-buster, I'm afraid. And I don't want it to go on credit. Since March, hubby has spent money like there was no tomorrow, on lunches with HER, and all sorts of things, not to mention living expenses while he left me. Everything he did went on the credit card, because he didn't have access to the other stuff.

To his credit, his paycheck was still automatically deposited to our checking account, which I was in control of. He just used the credit card because he knew it was on "autopay" and I almost never checked it. He also went in to it and changed the password on it so I COULDN'T check it too soon. Now that he is home, I have seen it, and am shocked that he almost maxed out the card. Of course he is sorry.

Anyway, I think everyone is right about the counsellor. At first I didn't think so, but I do now. I'm glad you all helped me to see that.
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jun, 2006 02:57 pm
Freedomelf--

If I said "He's self-focused" it might sound better than "self-centered", but either way this is a guy afflicted with Selfish Hormones.
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Mame
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jun, 2006 03:00 pm
Probably nobody's interested in my opinion, but I think you should kick him out. Maxing out the credit card was the last straw. Take it off "Auto Pay" and kick him out.
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