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Mid-life crisis

 
 
JPB
 
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Reply Sun 18 Jun, 2006 11:24 am
How're you doing, Tino?
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Tino
 
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Reply Sun 18 Jun, 2006 09:18 pm
Hi,

I'm okay.

Sorry to hear about the credit card business. I tend to think that if he was serious about starting a new life he shouldn't have financed it at the expense of the old one. I know, I've been there, but I never went that far!!!

What is a new life worth anyway if all it is about is what he can buy her?

I am sure that he must be coming to his senses big time

Tino

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Freedomelf
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jun, 2006 10:40 am
Thanks, but I think the credit card is the least of my worries. I don't even care about that at this point. Money is replaceable. Love isn't.....at least not often.

I was stupid last night....I admit it. We were having such a good time watching tv, and holding hands during the movie, and I couldn't help myself......he wound up spending the night in our room.

It was just like old times.....wonderful.....and we spent an hour or two just having fun before I was let down. Yes, Yes, I know what you are thinking.......nothing I don't think of myself right now.

Anyway, before all this happened with the other woman, we always ended our lovemaking with some kind of "permanency".....either we said "I will love you forever", or "I will always love you" or "We'll still be doing this when we are old and gray"....SOMETHING like that always ended our night, and we fell asleep in each other's arms. We did this all the way up to the week before he left me.

Well, last night after making love, I said "I really will love you forever."

There was dead silence. I waited for the longest time while getting a sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach. After a long time, he replied, "I just don't want to say anything I'm not sure of at this point. I don't want to say things automatically like I used to, without even thinking of what it meant. We'll just wait and see what happens."

I felt like crap. I felt like the biggest idiot that ever lived. Now, I just don't know what to think. I'm beginning to think Mame was right when she said to throw the bum out. I was devastated when he said he didn't want to say it "automatically, like he used to".....what the HECK???? It was never "automatic" for me!!!

Anyway, we have another session with the counselor tomorrow night at 5pm, so I guess I will talk about that there.

Go ahead.....tell me I'm an idiot, a jerk, I'm going to get a disease, and I'm stupid to boot........I'm ready for it.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jun, 2006 10:45 am
It's alright, freedomelf. It's not going to do any permanent damage. It will neither solve this problem nor make it worse, I think. Definitely do talk about it with the counselor, though. Don't beat yourself up.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jun, 2006 10:56 am
I agree with FreeDuck. You are on a bumpy road right now, with a lot of twists and turns. Just keep what you want clearly in mind.
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jun, 2006 01:05 pm
Freedomelf--

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felt like crap. I felt like the biggest idiot that ever lived. Now, I just don't know what to think. I'm beginning to think Mame was right when she said to throw the bum out. I was devastated when he said he didn't want to say it "automatically, like he used to".....what the HECK???? It was never "automatic" for me!!!



Beating up on yourself accomplishes nothing. Done is done.

Question: Have you learned by now that you are married to a stranger? Maybe you "knew" your husband on last New Year's Eve, but whatever you "knew" before, you have to remember he's a stranger now.

He does not have your best interests at heart. He has his own best interests at heart. Until you accept that the guy is not the guy you thought you married, you're in for repeated ego-battering both from him and from yourself.

Last night you went to bed with a stranger--a strongly self-centered stranger. No wonder you feel used--you were.

I'm guessing that Mr. F. wants a world with both you and Brenda catering to his needs and wishes and desires. After all, it isn't his "fault" that he "loves" you both.

Of course, if it isn't his fault, whose fault is it? Santa Claus? Saddam Hussein? His warped toilet training?

Be careful with strangers. Strangers can be dangerous.
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Freedomelf
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jun, 2006 02:24 pm
Thanks, free and phoenix.

I hadn't really thought of it like that, noddy......and it is a chilling thought.

I guess I just have to pick myself up and dust off my self-esteem.....and close the bedroom door again.

The worst part about that is that I miss it, too. I just hate sleeping alone. But you're right.....I don't want to sleep with strangers, even if I am married to them.
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Mame
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jun, 2006 03:55 pm
First, you need to tell him he was right... and that after due consideration, you agree... you don't know if it's true for you anymore either.

Why not ask him to leave and start dating?

Why is he in your house?

Set him free and see where he flies and what he does.

There is absolutely no justification for what he has done to you and your family. He is simply acting very immaturely - selfishly, without due consideration and thought for the rest of you. How low is that? What kind of man is that? And please don't start in on his chemicals - I could give a rat's ass. What do other men do - blame the chemical imbalance too? He can and should control himself, that's what responsible people do.

The reason they cheat is because they WANT to, plain and simple. Anything else is irrelevant. Who the hell cares why? Because he doesn't feel loved. Because his self-esteem is battered. Because he's got a chemical imbalance. Because he needs to feel important. Does any of that actually matter? Does it change the fact that he's cheated, betrayed you, and ripped the fabric of your relationship? That's he has completely disrespected you, lied to you, hidden things from you?

Where is his respect for you and the family? For your relationship?

Where is your trust for him now? In the toilet, that's where.

If you really want a relationship with him again, and I cannot for the life of me figure out why you would, then you have to START OVER... with dating. With him living elsewhere. Just like you would with a new guy.

I think if you do that you'll soon see you don't want him, Freedomelf. He is not the man you thought he was. And please think how much your wanting him back is mere nostalgia and how much is actual love. List the reasons you 'love' him... I bet each week they get fewer and fewer.

Sorry to be the harbinger of doom and gloom, but I have more respect for you than he does.
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jun, 2006 04:52 pm
mame--

I suspect you've known--and been hurt by--a man very like the First Mr. Noddy. Mr. F. may be joining a very seedy group of cads and bounders.

Freedomelf--

One day at a time.

Can he work the washing machine yet?
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Freedomelf
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jun, 2006 05:02 pm
I know, I know.....but at this point, I think he is incapable of living on his own. I believe that if I throw him out, he will go straight back to her without even getting a chance to think about what he really wants. He will just go where the wind blows him at the moment. He's not thinking of ANYTHING or anyone....he is just drifting, I believe. He often tells me that he is in a "surreal" world, and he loses track of what he is doing and who he is. He doesn't feel "real" anymore. He feels like he's sleepwalking all the time. He often tells me that he feels absolutely nothing for no one.....not her, not me, not himself, not the kids....no one. He sometimes wonders if he will ever feel anything again.

I believe that the shock of what he has done is still affecting him so badly, that he doesn't know what to think. When he moved back home, he promised me complete honesty....no more lies at all. So, I believe that last night's reaction was part of that......keeping his promise to be honest, but at the same time not knowing what in the heck to do or say.

I think the therapist will help him open his eyes and get back his life, if my husband will give it time to help. I am really hopeful about the therapy. I like the counselor a lot more than I thought I would. His voice is very calm and soothing.....it's almost as if your tensions turn down a notch just by hearing the sound of his voice. Ironically, my husband said the same thing. I don't think he minds the therapist, although it is different than what he thought it would be. I think he expected the focus to be on him. He still wants to go to therapy alone, but I told him that we really shouldn't try for 2 visits a week because of the medical and cc bills. I think it's important for us to go together.

I think he just wants to go because he wants to talk about Brenda, but he doesn't want me hurt by it. Well, I say he's going to HAVE to talk about her in front of me.

On another note, I met one of my husband's friends yesterday. He's known him for a dozen years, but he never invited me to go with him when he went there. I always thought it was just because he wanted to be with his friend doing "guy" things. But I was upset when he told me he took HER there with him, because his friend lives with his mother and the mother has become like a mother to my husband (without my ever knowing it!) He wanted the mother to meet Brenda. Anyway, I asked him how the mother liked Brenda and he told me "she didn't say much, so I don't know."

I asked him to take ME there, too, and yesterday, he did. When I got there, the woman was so wonderful to me. She took one look at me and said to hubby "Whatsa matter? You need GLASSES? LOOK at your wife! She's BEAUTIFUL!" Well....that made my day! Apparently hubby has been talking to this woman for a long time, telling her about me....how I was older than him and going downhill, apparently. He must have really painted a bad picture of me, because she was really surprised by me, and told me so. So anyway, this woman and I spent the whole day talking, and she said that she wished she'd insisted that my husband bring me sooner. She always believed that it was ME that didn't want to meet her, and she can see how wrong that was. She told me that I shouldn't worry about the other woman.....she didn't like her, and she wasn't half as pretty as I am.

She and I got along so well, she was just hugging me so much. And she insisted on taking pictures of us. She told my husband to give me a kiss so that she could get it on film. She also said that she thinks his head is stuck so far into his butt that he can't see what a real treasure he has! Gosh, that woman made me feel like a million bucks! I have to admit, hubby was shocked. He never believed that she would warm up to me like that. He said that she treated me so differently from how she treated Brenda....polite but reserved. She just treated me like one of her kids, and told hubby and I to do lots of things together....go bowling, dancing, etc. She said that was the secret to her 50+ years with her late husband.

Anyway, we came home and watched a movie on DVD. I was still in such a good mood from spending the day there, that I guess that's why we slipped into our old life, for a moment.

I have finally noticed something......anyone that meets me for the first time always seems to be pleasantly surprised. I can't help but wonder how long he has been dissing me to others???

Well......I'm going to focus on therapy for the next couple months. And I don't think I will make the same mistake I did last night again. At least not until my ego is repaired enough to take such a battering.

By the way.....Saturday night I had a bad back ache. Hubby said, "Do you, um, need a back rub too? I THINK that I might be able to do it with these hands......they don't seem to be in TOO much pain at the moment......um......." (proceeds to rub his hands and massage his fingers and say "ouch" on occasion.) I told him to forget it. Sad

Hubby's been telling me that he thinks his joints are sore lately, but he doesn't know what from. Funny how he can play Quake and rapid fire those buttons with nooooooooo problem, though!

Yep......you are right.....I am beginning to wonder if the husband I knew is gone forever. If I have to live with this stranger forever, I will eventually throw him out.....I know I will. I keep hoping that my true love will return to this burned out shell that is now my husband. I just hope he returns soon.
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Freedomelf
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jun, 2006 05:06 pm
LOL....well, I guess I SHOULD make him do his own laundry. But it's only fair that I do it, since I'm not working at the moment on anything but a part-time home biz, and he is working full-time.

but.....yes, I do sense the irony in that. Ah well......I'm beginning to think he isn't the only one that is getting drained of emotion.....I think this is jading me.

I'll give it a couple of months of therapy. I feel like I owe the kids that much.
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jun, 2006 05:34 pm
Freedomelf--

Remember, you're a wife, not a mother.

A man can be honest, forthright and selfish as all get out. This is hard to admit after years of trust. Counseling tomorrow should be very interesting if you keep an open mind.

Good luck.
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jun, 2006 05:53 pm
Freedomelf

I've been following this thread closely, though I haven't contributed much. I just want to say how much I admire your courage & clear-headedness in the face of so much personal distress. You are streets ahead of your husband in the honesty/integrity stakes!

I'm curious though. As the older partner in this marriage, did you go through some form of "midlife crisis" at some stage before him? If so, how did you manage it? How did he respond to what you were going through?

I'm also wondering how your children are coping with your husband's return. It can't be easy for them.

I wish you all the very best in finding a resolution which restores your peace of mind. Whatever the resolution may be.
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Mame
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jun, 2006 06:35 pm
Noddy24 wrote:
mame--

I suspect you've known--and been hurt by--a man very like the First Mr. Noddy. Mr. F. may be joining a very seedy group of cads and bounders.

Freedomelf--

One day at a time.

Can he work the washing machine yet?


You couldn't be more wrong, Noddy... I'm still in love with my first real love, thank you very much. I just don't like bullies of any time and Mr. Free is bully. All the bullsh*t he has been handing out should be a crime.

What would you do if you saw him beating on her? Stand by and watch and cluck your tongue? Well, What he did is akin to physical abuse --- you can't see the bruises. It's abuse, plain and simple, and in my opinion, there is NEVER an excuse for abuse.
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Eva
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jun, 2006 06:48 pm
Mame, you know I agree with your assessment of this guy, but I believe you're being too harsh on Freedomelf. She obviously has more patience than either of us. That's because she has more at stake here than we do. It's easy for us to say, "Drop kick that sucker!" when we're not the ones who would have to live with the consequences.

Having been through an ego-draining marriage and divorce myself, I applaud Freedomelf for doing everything she can to save her marriage. That is necessary for her conscience. For the sake of her children, I hope the marriage is salvageable. Counseling will help her figure that out. And if it isn't...believe me, I will lead the Name-Calling Brigade and we'll ROAST the s.o.b.! Cool
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Eva
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jun, 2006 06:50 pm
Sorry....sorry....I'll go sit down now. Embarrassed
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jun, 2006 06:57 pm
Mame--

Sorry for my inaccurate assumption.

Eva--

Count me in.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jun, 2006 07:16 pm
Freedom, none of our comments here is ever free from our own past experiences.
I happen to be chary of the effort to rework your marriage, since we did that, and after a couple of years of tremors we were happy for another bunch of years; when I was nice and old he got bored again. I could hit myself with a broad beam for not walking earlier, so my advice has this behind it. I had tossed any possibility re all those other people I could have been with, including just myself which is not so bad, and I could have done many other things.

Another poster on the relationships forum has reworked a marriage well, is a very sharp woman. Staying has worked out for her. You have children, which colors the picture somewhat, at least to the extent of giving it the big counselling try.

I say this next bit in a meandering way, not to convince you in one direction or another. I don't think you are a woman of low self esteem. Still, even self esteeming women can get all snagged in a web of wishes.
I think some of us here see a disconnect between how he is acting and how you (let me just guess, possibly obnoxiously) just want him back and everything fine again.
But things won't ever be just the same again. It is hard to adjust to that, but they won't. They may be different possibly in some good way, but think about that they may easily not be. You may be getting angry one of these days, and anger will be at him and at yourself too. Gotta weather all that too.
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Tino
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jun, 2006 07:27 pm
Mame wrote:
Noddy24 wrote:


What would you do if you saw him beating on her? Stand by and watch and cluck your tongue? Well, What he did is akin to physical abuse --- you can't see the bruises. It's abuse, plain and simple, and in my opinion, there is NEVER an excuse for abuse.


This struck a chord, hard, when I read it.

I have tried to be supportive of Freedom Elf's dealings with the mid-life thing from the other angle because I still feel guilty...I appreciate what you are saying, FE, about the credit card business being recovorable and the preciousness of feelings, of a relationship that may or may not be for life, against money, but this is taking alot out of you. You are taking a hell of a beating, emotionally, and I wonder how long you can cope for. How is your health standing up to the strain?

I don't just ask figuratively; I wonder if he knows or realises how much he is asking you to deal with?

I'm begining to wonder if the whole mid-life crisis is what it is supposed to be.

Or if it's what I thought it was at the begining of the thread.

My own relationship has reached a total impasse because in retalition for my feelings for a younger woman my "partner" announced that she really doesn't like my three kids from the previous relationship and has made it obvious that she is not prepared to make any effort with them whatsoever anymore.

This I find totally unpalatable given the problems she has given me with her "family" [one of the most jealous and possessive tribes you will ever encounter going under the name of "family"] over the years. You don't know the half of it.

My kids are the one thing I have always had absolute clarity about [15, 13 and 7], I can see myself in them, I love them unconditionally - I can't help myself - I bought them into the world and they are not to blame for anything that I do or say.

So why is my "partner" prepared to blame them because they wish that I was still with their mother [if they do? An untenable situation, incidentally] instead of trying to win them over, as I would, as I did, over years, for her, with her daughter and granddaughter, who visited us much more often than my kids ever have.

I guess Freedomelf is not the only one comtemplating starting a new life at a relatively advanced age.

And I fearlessly forcast that you, Freedomelf, will have much more success in any new life than your husband will, because you care more.

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sozobe
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jun, 2006 07:30 pm
Hi FreedomElf,

I read a review of a play in the New Yorker today, and kept thinking of you and your situation as I read it. Selections:

Quote:
In his first encounter, with his provincial high-school sweetheart, Sam (the excellent Brooke Smith), now a housewife, he wonders whether they should share some overpriced cashews from the hotel minibar. "You decide," she says. "Which was never one of your strong suits." In adulthood, you choose, and you lose; maturity brings with it the courage to accept that loss and your part in it.


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Guy [the main guy in the play] wants everything all the time, a state of affairs that his mission of reconciliation and flirtation only underscores.


Quote:


Quote:
It's not about the meaning, it's about the doing."


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I'm not saying that your husband IS Guy, from the play. I just found several phrases in the article to be resonant (especially the ones I bolded).
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