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baseball MVP & CY YOUNG: who do you like?

 
 
patiodog
 
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Reply Sat 15 Nov, 2008 07:47 am
@Region Philbis,
I was sitting here wondering (well, for a couple of seconds) about why Lee didn't get all 1st place votes. Ran across this column...

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3700775&name=Neyer_Rob

...kind of an interesting spin. But still, 22-3. Damn.
Region Philbis
 
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Reply Sat 15 Nov, 2008 03:14 pm
@patiodog,
was surprised no first's went to K-rod or dice-K.

the sawx usually knock halladay around enough to scratch out a win, so i've never been overly impressed with his stuff.
can't overlook all his complete games though...
patiodog
 
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Reply Sat 15 Nov, 2008 08:24 pm
@Region Philbis,
Mmmmmm....

Dice-K's numbers were pretty much Cliff Lee, Jr -- a couple fewer wins, a couple more tenths on the ERA, a couple dozen fewer Ks...

I think the only way a closer gets a nod if there really were no pitchers with Cy Young quality years. And, well, the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim? The organization manages to slight 2 huge counties (and perhaps the entire state of California) just with it's name. Not sure I could ever vote for them for an award, and I was a die-hard Mike Scioscia fan growing up. (No kidding, I really was.)
Region Philbis
 
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Reply Sun 16 Nov, 2008 01:49 pm
@patiodog,
the thing about dice-K's season was he refused to give in to hitters, had too many walks, and consequently worked out of bases loaded jams on a consistent basis.

that his ERA was under 3 was nothing more than a statistical anomoly...

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NL MVP will be announced tomorrow; AL on tuesday, if anyone else wants to add their 2 Cents ...
patiodog
 
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Reply Sun 16 Nov, 2008 05:27 pm
@Region Philbis,
I didn't pay much attention to the AL this year, so I'm not gonna speculate on MVP. Did watch the NL a bit, though.

Pujols produced 179 runs (runs + RBI - HR). Howard produced 203 runs. Howard strikes out a ton, so he's not as likely to move runners over as Pujols. However, for the same reason, he's also not as likely to ground into double plays (2.0% of the time, vs. 3.6% for Pujols).

Defensively, of course, Pujols has a big edge. He gets to more balls hit his way, he commits fewer errors. Dunno how many runs a gold-glove caliber first baseman is compared to, well, whatever you want to call Howard when he's playing over there.

Of course, the Phillies were better than the Cards, and the team always plays into the equation, but the Cardinals were solidly in contention until the last month, and weren't eliminated until near the end. Howard's production down the stretch was phenomenal, though, and obviously his team made it.

Then there's David Wright. Produced 206 runs, won the Gold Glove at 3B. Haven't seen much talk of him as an MVP candidate, though. Odd, I think.

I see Delgado mentioned as an MVP candidate, and frankly I just don't get it. His second-half production doesn't put him ahead of Howard, and his all-around value and full-season stats aren't as good as for Wright or Pujols.

I like that local kid (for me) Ryan Braun is getting some mention, but his season wasn't in the same class as these other guys. Also, I'm not sure if it shows up in his numbers, but he's still very much a work-in-progress in left field. (Even with Mike Cameron in center, the Brewer outfield is a bit of an adventure...) Anyway, C.C. was the MVP of the Brewers this year (whatever Region says; I watched most of those stretch run games, and the confidence he gave the team was like what Gibson brought to the '88 Dodgers, as I think I've mentioned already...), and you can't be MVP of the league if you're not MVP of your own team.



So, anywho -- with all due respect to Pujols, I think NL MVP should go to Ryan Howard.
Region Philbis
 
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Reply Sun 16 Nov, 2008 07:44 pm
@patiodog,
interesting, p-dawg, interesting.

agree that howard's K's will hurt his chances... although he won in '06 despite wiffing a mere 18 times fewer than this year...

i doubt defensive prowess factors into the voting one iota.
check out past winners -- http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/awards/mlb_awards_content.jsp?content=mvp_history -- there are some brutal fielders in the mix...

pedroia should get the nod over hamilton, bradley, youk, quentin...

re: pitchers...
the last AL pitcher to win was eck in '89.
the last NL pitcher was gibby in '68.
i spoze that's why i'm averse to it -- it's been a while...
patiodog
 
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Reply Sun 16 Nov, 2008 07:47 pm
@Region Philbis,
I'm a big fan of the runs produced stat. Simple, concise, and it's what batting's all about.

I agree that defense never seems to be a consideration. Kind of a shame, tho. A great shortstop or catcher or center fielder can have a big impact on a season.




Looking at that list jogs my memory a bit -- you know, you never hear much about Chipper Jones? Year in, year out, the guy just hits and hits and hits, and he's never mentioned except during Braves games.
Region Philbis
 
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Reply Sun 16 Nov, 2008 07:52 pm
@patiodog,
true -- CF's ellsbury & crisp prevented way more runs (with outstanding outfield play) than they produced for us this year...

chipper's steady, but he's never really had a break-out season... until this year when he flirted with .400 for most of the summer...
patiodog
 
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Reply Sun 16 Nov, 2008 08:03 pm
@Region Philbis,
Yeah. Just looked at his stats -- hadn't realized how much he's been hurt the past few years. Still has hall of fame numbers, though.
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Tue 18 Nov, 2008 06:02 am
pujols has taken home MVP # dos...

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/6572/nlmvptg6.jpg
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Tue 18 Nov, 2008 02:00 pm
this just in --

dustin 'little pedey' pedroia is king of the mountain this afternoon... Mr. Green

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/7822/almvpmd9.jpg
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Fri 4 Sep, 2009 04:44 am

as much as it galls me to pick yankey playerz...

AL MVP: texiera
NL MVP: pujols

AL CY: rivera (NYY) edges teammate sabathia
NL CY: carpenter by a nose over lincecum & teammate wainright
fbaezer
 
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Reply Fri 4 Sep, 2009 12:23 pm
@Region Philbis,
Isn't it a bit too early?
(Though Pujols in totally on a roll for the MVP)
Rockhead
 
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Reply Fri 4 Sep, 2009 12:25 pm
@fbaezer,
If he were on any other team, Zack would look real goood...

damn royals.
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Pantalones
 
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Reply Sat 5 Sep, 2009 12:38 pm
Might be early but my picks would be

NL MVP: Big Albert
AL MVP: Joe Mauer

NL CY: Tim Lincecum
AL CY: Zach Greinke
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Sat 5 Sep, 2009 03:04 pm
@fbaezer,
Quote:
Isn't it a bit too early?
dunno.
i started the thread on 9/12/05.
seems a septemberry thing to do i guess...
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fbaezer
 
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Reply Fri 25 Sep, 2009 04:41 pm
Time is ripe (methinks).

Cy Young:
AL
1. Zach Greinke
2. C.C. Sabathia
3. Félix Hernández

NL
1. Chris Carpenter
2. Adam Wainwright
3. Tim Lincecum

MVP
AL
1. Mark Teixeira
2. Kevin Youkilis
3. Joe Mauer
(put Mauer at the top if he helps the Twins make it to the post-season)

NL
1. Albert Pujols
2. Hanley Ramírez
3. André Ethier


I think both Greinke and Pujols are no-brainers.
Region Philbis
 
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Reply Sun 27 Sep, 2009 09:50 am
@fbaezer,

that is the popular opinion, no doubt.

i still think cc wins it on the strength of his 2nd half.
apparently he became lights-out when his pitching coach suggested he change his fastball grip a few months ago...
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Mon 9 Nov, 2009 01:08 pm

awards to be announced this week, i think...
anyone else care to take a stab at it?
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Sat 14 Nov, 2009 06:34 pm

for what it's worth, si.com's seven (so-called) experts have made their picks --

AL MVP: joe mauer (7 votes)
NL MVP: pujols (7)

AL CY: grienke (7)
NL CY: carpenter (3), lincecum (2), wainwright (2)

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/baseball/mlb/11/12/experts.awards.picks/index.html
 

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