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baseball MVP & CY YOUNG: who do you like?

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Rockhead
 
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Reply Tue 30 Sep, 2008 04:40 pm
@patiodog,
I think it's a combo of Frisco shitness, and the fact that he was last years late phenom, and needs one more year to prove hes not a fluke to the national media.

(had him last year late in fbb as well, hella stuff)
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Tue 30 Sep, 2008 04:41 pm
@patiodog,
Aramis Ramirez?

(dark horse, I know...)

but without him, the Cubs may not have clinched the pennant.
patiodog
 
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Reply Tue 30 Sep, 2008 04:44 pm
@Rockhead,
I could buy that. Probably could make the same argument for Howard, though, and he's got all those RBIs.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Tue 30 Sep, 2008 04:48 pm
@patiodog,
but his team is watching again...

(I'm just bitchin', he won't win it)
patiodog
 
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Reply Tue 30 Sep, 2008 04:51 pm
@Rockhead,
Watching what? Philly won the NL East...
Rockhead
 
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Reply Tue 30 Sep, 2008 04:53 pm
@patiodog,
Saw Howard, thought Wright...

Brain fart.

I am biased against the NL East, just so's ya know...
patiodog
 
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Reply Tue 30 Sep, 2008 05:00 pm
@Rockhead,
I just can't fully endorse a Cubbie... Wink
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Tue 30 Sep, 2008 05:17 pm
@patiodog,
p-dawg wrote:
A pitcher who I think should get some consideration (though not win) for MVP but not for Cy Young...

C.C. Sabathia

I've been watching the Brewers this year, and Sabathia was unbe-freakin-lievable. He's gotten a lot of national attention -- derservedly -- for his last three starts on 3 days' rest during the playoff chase, but he's been incredible since day 1 in Milwaukee. Changed the whole attitude of the team. Reminds me a lot of the Dodgers' acquisition of Kirk Gibson for all of the 1988 season. His numbers weren't MVP-like, but he got the award for the overall effect he had on the team. (Remembering a game where he scored from 2nd base on a wild pitch to win a game in extra innings.) C.C. hasn't been with Milwaukee all year, and so shouldn't get Cy Young consideration, but I don't know that there's a player in the NL who was more important to his team's success by the end of the season...
an unreal 2nd half, but i think his mediocre cleveland stats will do him in this year...

(didn't think he deserved it last year, so whaddoo i know?)
patiodog
 
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Reply Tue 30 Sep, 2008 05:19 pm
@Region Philbis,
Well, I never claimed he could be the AL MVP....
Region Philbis
 
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Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2008 05:00 am
@patiodog,
just sayin' two months of brilliant pitching ain't enough to win an award...
patiodog
 
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Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2008 05:01 am
@Region Philbis,
And I said he should get consideration for MVP but not for Cy, is all. (Why, you editing sumbitch.)




WHY ARE YOU ATTACKING ME? BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT A DOG ANYMORE? IS THAT IT, REGIS PHILBIN?

Er, sorry, I've got this thing about Regis Philbin.


Region Philbis
 
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Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2008 05:04 am
@patiodog,
heh heh...

that's another thing -- if pitchers are allowed to win MVP's, then position players oughtta be allowed to win cy youngs... 2 Cents
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Thu 23 Oct, 2008 12:02 pm
pujols has won the '08 Sporting News Player of the Year Award.
apparently they only give out one such award, as opposed to MLB, which has an mvp for each league...
patiodog
 
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Reply Thu 23 Oct, 2008 05:03 pm
@Region Philbis,
Which raises the question -- should you give the MVP to a player on a mediocre team?

I mean, like, he might be the most valuable player in the league, but he wasn't valuable enough, at least not this year.




I disagree about pitchers, for what it's worth. Wasn't really seriously advocating Sabathia this year, just thought it was a fun idea, but if a pitcher really is the most valuable to his team -- let's just suppose, tho it'll never happen, that some guy comes in and starts every 3rd game, runs up an ERA under 2, and wins 45 games -- he should get the nod.





Oh, and the catchers of great pitching staffs don't get enough credit -- at least, not until they're managers...
Region Philbis
 
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Reply Thu 23 Oct, 2008 05:14 pm
@patiodog,
there's alotta grey area in the criteria.
what makes a team mediocre? . a .500 or worse record?
i don't envy the writers who vote...

i guess i'd rather see a reliever like k-rod get an MVP because he has a say in the outcome of a lot more games than a starter... although he doesn't pitch as many innings...
ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 23 Oct, 2008 05:33 pm
@Region Philbis,
I'm biased for K-Rod, my guy in fantasy baseball, so good..

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patiodog
 
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Reply Thu 23 Oct, 2008 06:11 pm
I think FOX's World Series pregame schtick might be a little overdone.

I mean, just a tidge.
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Wed 12 Nov, 2008 05:02 am
you dudes called it -- lincecum snares NLCY convincingly over webb.

Code:NL Cy Young voting
Player 1st 2nd 3rd Total
Tim Lincecum, San Francisco 23 7 1 137
Brandon Webb, Arizona 4 15 8 73
Johan Santana, New York 4 8 11 55
Brad Lidge, Philadelphia - 1 7 10
CC Sabathia, Milwaukee 1 1 1 9
Ryan Dempster, Chicago - - 4 4


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Gargamel
 
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Reply Wed 12 Nov, 2008 09:28 am
Wow. That was way more lopsided than I thought it would be.
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Sat 15 Nov, 2008 12:50 am
ALCY results --

Code:Player 1st 2nd 3rd Total
Cliff Lee, Cleveland 24 4 - 132
Roy Halladay, Toronto 4 15 6 71
Francisco Rodriguez, Los Angeles - 7 11 32
Daisuke Matsuzaka, Boston - 2 4 10
Mariano Rivera, New York - - 3 3
Mike Mussina, New York - - 2 2
Ervin Santana, Los Angeles - - 2 2

 

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