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baseball MVP & CY YOUNG: who do you like?

 
 
Region Philbis
 
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Reply Tue 15 Nov, 2005 03:59 pm
G-Rod won because the writers are too chicken-shite to vote for a DH...
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Child of the Light
 
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Reply Tue 15 Nov, 2005 04:52 pm
A-Rod deserves this award. He led his team from a large last season deficit, and that is something that Papi couldn't do. A-Rod's value wasn't 1 dimensional either, he actually played defense and ran the bases, which is something that Papi couldn't do. A-Rod led Papi in 2 of the 3 triple crown categories too! I mean, it is more than obvious who deserved this award.
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Tue 15 Nov, 2005 05:17 pm
the MVP voting is never about defense and base-running.
its about the power numbers: HR, RBI, AVG... and for pitchers W's, ERA & SO's.

check out this complete list of MVP's with key stats...




pujols won the NL MVP over jones 378-351...
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Slappy Doo Hoo
 
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Reply Tue 15 Nov, 2005 06:32 pm
By the way, I read/heard somewhere that MVP voting is done before the playoffs begin.
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2005 02:29 pm
Pujols beat Jones because Jones' BA was rather weak.

Ever since I can remember, there's been discussion about what the award is supposed to mean. The winner tends to be the guy with the best numbers, but it would be rare for a guy like to win if his team finished last. They could've finished last without him

Which leads to the question of whether NYY could've finished first without ARod. Or the Cards without Pujols. I bet they could have.

Would the Braves have won their division without Andruw (and Chipper Jones injured for about 1/3 of the season? I doubt it.

So, it is about numbers...
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fbaezer
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2005 05:12 pm
You have written wisely, D'art.

Papi and Andruw made a difference. A-Rod and, specially, Pujols did not.
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Child of the Light
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2005 05:51 pm
D'artagnan wrote:

Which leads to the question of whether NYY could've finished first without ARod. Or the Cards without Pujols. I bet they could have.


I HATE that method of finding a MVP. It is an individual award. Why should A-Rod/Pujols be punished because they play for a good team? It is really simple to me, The MVP is the most valuable player, and because ALL areas of the game are equally valuable, ALL areas of the game come into consideration when crowning an MVP. Sure power numbers are flashy and help your cause, but as the case for Papi, it doesn't promise an MVP. A-Rod/Pujols both had the power numbers and both played fantastic defense, but so did Jones, so what is the deal with that? Well, the basic formula for winning MVP is having a great offense season on a winning team, while playing AT LEAST sufficient defense and having some other positive, sometimes nonstatistical, appeal. A-Rod and Pujols deserved these awards regardless of what you 2 Red Sox and single Braves fan say.
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Slappy Doo Hoo
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2005 06:20 pm
I'm not whining that Ortiz got "robbed."

It was close, and I think defense should come into play. I still would have much rather had Ortiz come to the plate in a clutch situation than Slaphand Purplelips.
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2005 09:00 pm
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Why should A-Rod/Pujols be punished because they play for a good team?

if you play for a good team, you're not as valuable bcos your teammates can do damage as well.

jeter, the donger, garfield sheffy, and giambi.
do you honestly think NYY would've been much worse without ol' Purplelips? Laughing

i said pujols deserved the award over a.jones bcos of the batting average -- no other reason...
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Child of the Light
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2005 09:02 pm
Ortiz didn't have help in his lineup? Ya'll are blindingly bias, it's quite unreal.
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Thu 17 Nov, 2005 05:04 pm
As I mentioned in my last post, it's all in how "valuable" is defined. I think "value" is a relative term. To me, a gift of $1000 would be valuable. To Bill Gates, it would be chump change.

But we can agree to disagree, no?
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Thu 17 Nov, 2005 09:07 pm
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Ortiz didn't have help in his lineup? Ya'll are blindingly bias, it's quite unreal.

he didn't have nearly as much help as the Karate Kid did... and yes i am biased to the max Razz
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2006 10:17 am
2006...
AL MVP: d. ortiz (i don't think the voters can ignore him this year)
AL CYY: j. santana

NL MVP: r. howard
NL CYY: c. carpenter
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2006 10:47 am
I see Jeter mentioned as AL MVP. Again, NYY could've done it this year w/o him, so I vote for Ortiz. The Red Sox swoon may hurt him--though it certainly wasn't his fault!
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kickycan
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2006 10:58 am
Of course it should be Jeter. There's no question he's more valuable than that big fat piece of crap from Boston.
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Pantalones
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2006 11:02 am
AL MVP: Santana
AL CY: Santana

NL MVP: Reyes
NL CY: Hoffman

Santana's practically a lock for CY, having the MLB pitching triple crown this late in the season. I'll give him the MVP 'cause his team is on the playoffs as of now.

They'll give it to a met, I say give it to the speedy dude with 60+ SB and close to .300 avg. Hoffman Good: Just passed the alltime saves mark, leads MLB in saves, less than 2.00 ERA. Hoffman Bad: Blew save on the All-Star Game.
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Slappy Doo Hoo
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2006 12:17 pm
I don't think Ortiz will get it. First off, the Red Sox aren't in the playoffs, and a lot of people think for some reason that's a pre-req. Second, he doesn't play the field.

But it's hard to point out a guy more valuable to his club than Ortiz. His stats of late inning RBI's, walk-off hits, is just staggering. The guy's like the Larry Bird of the Red Sox. You don't see a lot of players that consistent in clutch situations.

I think Jeter will end up with it, more deserving or not.
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fbaezer
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2006 01:06 pm
Qualifying to the play-offs is important when measuring the MVP.
So...

AL:
MVP: Derek Jeter (NYY) -as much as I dislike it-
CY: Johan Santana (MIN)

NL:
MVP: Ron Howard (PHI), if Phillies classify; if not: José Reyes (NYM)
CY: Chris Carpenter (STL)

I'd give:
3 votes for Jeter
2 votes for Ortiz
1 vote for Dye

3 votes for Santana
2 votes for F. Rodríguez (ANA)
1 vote for Halladay

3 votes for Reyes
2 votes for Howard
1 vote for Cabrera

3 votes for Carpenter
2 votes for Webb
1 vote for Wagner

Rookie of the Year:

AL: Jonathan Papelbon
NL: Hanley Ramírez
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Sat 4 Nov, 2006 05:37 pm
i think they hand out the hardware this coming week...
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Slappy Doo Hoo
 
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Reply Sun 5 Nov, 2006 03:18 pm
And Jeter undeservingly won the Golden Glove. It's just a popularity contest. The Red Sox were just a couple clean plays away from having the lowest error total in MLB history, and not one Gold Glove???
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