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Entertainment, political correctness and cancel culture

 
 
Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2021 12:05 am
Hi. I know political correctness is a BIG issue now and I think it's bad enough we have it but now cancel culture is becoming a big thing.

IS cancel culture an offshoot of political correctness? When did this become a big thing?

I read somewhere that Pepé Le Pew has been dropped from the new movie Space Jam: A New Legacy because he's a character that promotes rape culture and sexual harassment. He's not considered PC anymore. He's been subject to cancel culture backlash.

It's because of political correctness that Hello Nurse and Minerva Mink were dropped from the Animaniacs reboot. I assume these characters were subject to cancel culture backlash. However Minerva did cameo in one ep from the reboot.

I also read that Warner Bros. does not plan to include Pepé in any future cartoon projects. He has been "cancelled".

However, 3 decades ago, Warner Bros. introduced the world to Tiny Toon Adventures. In the series, There was a Pepé analogue in the show named Fifi Le Fume. She was basically a female junior version of Pepé. Why is SHE okay but Pepé isn't? Makes no sense. Is it because she's female and a kid?

There's supposed to be a new series coming out Warner Bros. produced called Tiny Toons Looniversity which is a reboot of Tiny Toons Adventures. I am wondering, are they going to "cancel" Fifi too? Is she going to be dropped from the new show?

I haven't read, seen or heard anything online about Fifi being "cancelled".

To be fair, if they "cancel" Pepé they should "cancel" Johnny Bravo. It would be hypocritical of WB to have Bravo and Fifi cameo in the new Space Jam movie when Pepé isn't in it.

I think political correctness has gotten ridiculous. We have too many daggone snowflakes in this generation. What's going to be "cancelled" next, I wonder?

What other changes are going to made to cartoons, and entertainment in general, because certain things aren't considered socially and/or culturally appropriate anymore?

What do you all think about all of this? Please help. Thank you.
 
Rebelofnj
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2021 05:53 am
@JGoldman10,
You asked a very similar question months ago:
https://able2know.org/topic/555209-1

Cartoon Network already cancelled (in the traditional sense) Johnny Bravo 17 years ago, and they haven't made any new episodes since 2004. What good would it do to "cancel" it now when no one cares about the show anymore?

Linkat
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2021 07:15 am
@JGoldman10,
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Cancel culture is becoming a big thing.


I agree with some of what you are stating - some of this has gotten out of hand. I do think the original premise of this is a bit more than political correctness, I think it is more of being kind and considerate of others and having some sensitivity of someone that may be different than you are and understanding as a result some things you may deem as harmless or funny can actually be hurtful. So I do think this came out of a good place, however, I think often times it is carried forward and having the effect that is the opposite of what one should be trying to do.

I know that is long winded so I mean in the cases where people jump on the bandwagon because it appears a person is doing/saying /representing something that is hurtful - so they "cancel" and shame them on social media - then only to find out this is completely false or over exaggerated so this person is now harmed often times to the point of physical and deadly threats, losing jobs, being harrassed and so forth.

Here is a recent example there was a man on Jeopardy

https://c.o0bc.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/kelly-donohue-jeopardy-racist-gesture-608adf24ee4f6-850x478$large.png

On one show, Donohue held up three fingers, he says to signify the three games he had won on “Jeopardy!” heading into the match; similar to previous shows where he held up one finger following his first win on Friday’s show and two fingers at the start of Monday’s episode.

Some people online, however, believed that Donohue’s symbol resembled the “Okay” hand gesture. The gesture started as an inside joke on online imageboard 4chan to troll liberals and mainstream media into believing the gesture was a hate symbol but was later co-opted by white supremacists to actually symbolize white power.

entire article https://www.boston.com/culture/entertainment/2021/04/29/kelly-donohue-jeopardy-hand-gesture

This is the part of the so-called cancel culture that is out of hand. You can possibly destroy someone's life without even being correct. So in a sense this cancel culture is actually doing the one thing that this culture is supposed to be about stopping harm and hurtful things.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2021 09:17 am
@Linkat,
Is it out of hand?

I live the other side of the Atlantic and I know the three fingers stands for KKK.

How could he not know that?

I’m not saying he is a white supremacist, but he could have given it a bit of thought first.

The Nazi salute was used before the Nazis came to power, but people still don’t use it because of associations.

What gets me, and you see this on A2K a lot, is racists using such gestures and language, but leaving themselves a get out clause so they can pretend they meant something else.

maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2021 11:03 am
@Linkat,
Liberals are silly...

There are three possiblities...

1) This guy made an innocent gesture that was misinterpreted by ever-outraged silly liberals.
2) This guy made this gesture as a joke to troll the ever-outraged silly liberals (who obliged by overreacting in a way that is actually funny).
3) This guy is a part of a secret hidden nazi group using a game show to send clandestine message resulting in the deaths of innocent babies.

The third option is the only one that doesn't make any sense.

This is outrage porn.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2021 11:06 am
@maxdancona,
True story...

The OK sign was turned into a Nazi symbol as an joking experiment to show how stupid liberals are.

There is a discussion on 4chan about how gullible liberals are, that turned into a question of whether they could get the liberal outrage machine to turn on the ubiquitous (and to that point innocent) OK sign.

They succeeded and the rest is history.
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Linkat
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2021 01:18 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:


I live the other side of the Atlantic and I know the three fingers stands for KKK.

How could he not know that?



To be perfectly honest - I would not know. Why? I have never been shown this in any aspect.

If you feel this is such widespread knowledge - You would also think that the Jeopardy editors would also know such was the case - it is their job to know so they would have edited this part out.

And if he made a dumb mistake does that warrant people making this judgement?

Unless you are perfect you are likely to have done something dumb as well - haven't we all? This is why I say it is carried too far - because you slip and say something without meaning it - should you be harassed mercilessly ? Lose your job?

It is this rush to judgement without knowing anything - so what if it was just a dumb mistake or not knowing? Does it really matter?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2021 01:42 pm
@Linkat,
I don’t know anything about Jeopardy, or its editors, what they knew or what their motivation could be. It’s a quiz show referenced in American popular culture where the question comes after the answer. I’ve never seen it, justthe reference.

This 3 finger salute has appeared on news and documentaries over here ever since Trump was elected. It’s mentioned in the film Mississippi Burning.

I don’t know anything about the person in question. I find it hard to believe he would lose his job over a genuine mistake.

If you’ve worked in an office you know what your colleagues are like. If certain people I worked with were accused of being racist I would leap to their defence or shrug my shoulders and say ‘figures,’ depending on who it was.

I don’t know this person, but I find it very hard to believe that someone could lose their job if that was the only thing they had done wrong. There could be something else.


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chai2
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2021 02:00 pm
No cartoon character is "ok" if it's one that promotes "no doesn't mean no"

If that's what this female character does to males, her character needs to be rewritten, or dropped.

It's not like this is a real thing. It's a drawing, and writers can give it whatever characteristics it wants.

That skunk character always made me anxious at a child. Everything about him is negative. There's nothing funny about chasing, trapping and forcing another character to submit to very unwanted physical/sexual advances.
longjon
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2021 02:05 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:

I live the other side of the Atlantic and I know the three fingers stands for KKK.


Only mentally disturbed radical leftists think this hand signal exists. Normal people who aren't weirdos don't.
hightor
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2021 02:18 pm
@longjon,
You really could have found this out yourself:

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How did it become connected to “white power”?

It started in early 2017 as a hoax. Anonymous users of 4chan, an anonymous and unrestricted online message board, began what they called “Operation O-KKK,” to see if they could trick the wider world — and especially, liberals and the mainstream media — into believing that the innocuous gesture was actually a clandestine symbol of white power.

“We must flood Twitter and other social media websites with spam, claiming that the OK hand signal is a symbol of white supremacy,” one of the users posted, going on to suggest that everyone involved create fake social media accounts “with basic white girl names” to propagate the notion as widely as possible.

The 4chan hoax succeeded all too well and ceased being a hoax: Neo-Nazis, Ku Klux Klansmen and other white nationalists began using the gesture in public to signal their presence and to spot potential sympathisers and recruits. For them, the letters formed by the hand were not O and K, but W and P, for “white power”.

Where else has the gesture surfaced?

A number of high-profile figures on the far right have helped spread the gesture’s racist connotation by flashing it conspicuously in public, including Milo Yiannopoulos, an outspoken former Breitbart editor, and Richard Spencer, one of the promoters of the white power rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, in 2017 that resulted in the death of a 32-year-old woman.
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The gesture was in the headlines again after Roger Stone, a longtime political adviser to US president Donald Trump, met with a group of white nationalists known as Proud Boys in Salem, Oregon, in 2018 and was photographed displaying it with them.

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maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2021 02:49 pm
@chai2,
chai2 wrote:

No cartoon character is "ok" if it's one that promotes "no doesn't mean no"

If that's what this female character does to males, her character needs to be rewritten, or dropped.

It's not like this is a real thing. It's a drawing, and writers can give it whatever characteristics it wants.

That skunk character always made me anxious at a child. Everything about him is negative. There's nothing funny about chasing, trapping and forcing another character to submit to very unwanted physical/sexual advances.


This is taking prudishness to a humorous level.

There is another cartoon character who wants to blow up the Earth with his space modulator. No one seems to be upset with the mass genocide that it implied. If being kissed is so ******* horrible, imagine having an anvil dropped on your head.

Yes Pepe LePew is funny.
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Rebelofnj
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2021 03:14 pm
@chai2,
WB did rework Pepé Le Pew's character a few years ago so that he was a James Bond-style spy who chased after an enemy fox spy. It worked out better than expected.
longjon
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2021 05:45 pm
@hightor,
It's cute how you use bias sources to 'validate' your whack job assertions.

It's like when feminists come up with nonsense "peer reviewed studies" that support hogwash statistics like that 5 out of every 4 women are raped on college campuses. Then when people call them on their bullshit, the feminists say that their bullshit is "peer reviewed".

Yep, "peer reviewed" by other feminists. Laughing
Rebelofnj
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2021 06:32 pm
@longjon,
If you want a more conservative news source regarding the OK gesture, here is Fox News:
Quote:
The gesture, which features the thumb and forefinger that touch in a circle with the other fingers outstretched, has been appropriated as a signal for white supremacy in recent years.


Though the article does note that not all instances of the OK gesture are with racist intent.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/army-navy-investigators-find-hand-gestures-werent-racist
longjon
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2021 06:48 pm
@Rebelofnj,
What's your point?

If your grandpa gives you the "OK" hand sign do you call him a racist?
hightor
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2021 07:00 pm
@longjon,
Quote:
It's cute how you use bias sources to 'validate' your whack job assertions.

My "assertions" aren't the point. No "peer reviewed studies" were used. The article draws attention to specific instances of the gesture being used within the "white power" sub-culture. Yiannopoulos', Spencer's, and Stone's use of the hand symbol is a matter of public record, as far back as 2017. They're not all flashing the "OK" symbol.

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi1.wp.com%2Frosecityantifa.org%2Fimages%2Fpb-3%2Fschultzstone.png%3Fw%3D1140%26ssl%3D1&f=1&nofb=1

Mass murderer Brenton Tarrant isn't giving the "OK" sign here:

https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2019/12/17/10/gettyimages-1130827382.jpg?width=640&auto=webp&quality=75

longjon
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2021 07:13 pm
@hightor,
You inferred that Roger Stone is a white supremacist Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

That says all we need to know about you (as if we didn't know already)
Rebelofnj
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2021 07:16 pm
@longjon,
As Fox News said, "not all instances of the OK gesture are with racist intent." The article itself is about the Army and Navy concluding that the gestures used in their annual football game were not used racially.

Not sure how that led you to think that I believe all instances of the OK gesture are racist.

I only linked to Fox News because you viewed The Independent news site as heavily bias (presumably too liberal), so I provided a news source with a more conservative bent that had the same information.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2021 07:16 pm
@hightor,
That's not a Nazi symbol... that is the Circle Game. If someone looks at your circle you get to punch them.

If you have a teenage child, ask them about it.
 

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