bobsal u1553115 wrote:
For someone who claims not to know anything about Lyndon LaRouche, you sound just like one of his books.
Why don't you post a thread about him since you like mentioning him so much? I don't really feel like researching him on my own, but I might participate in such a thread.
Accusing union of small "c" corporateism doesn't mean much. All groups of anyone with common values can be accused of that: the Lutheran Church, militias, anti-vaxers, the Green Bay Packers, Libertarians, the Hari Krishnas, any little league tem, school boards, the GOP and on and on and on. Now Corporations, can be a different matter.
I think you're just jumping to a level of political bias that ignores the point of what I'm saying, which is valid. Basically what you're implying is that Hare Krishnas are a relatively powerless corporation and thus not bad like the big bad 'Corporations' you capitalize to demonize. Whenever you demonize anything relative to other similar things, you're ignoring the underlying similarities. E.g. if one Corporation points out they are more like Hare Krishnas or unions, etc. than some other Corporation, that is more indifferent to what human beings go through, that may be true or not, but you should be analyzing it at the level of details and not just assuming that all unions are good for all people, the environment, and/or future generations; because they might not be.
What's more, you shouldn't default to assuming that they're good unless they're bad, because that right there biases you against objectively analyzing them as organizations, the same as any other organization; consisting of humans, rules, interests, etc. etc.
I never felt oppressed by any union except the Teamsters and it wasn't the union it was the organized crime elements that subverted the union.
Wherever there is organized power there is opportunity for evil, whether it's organized crime or something else, to manipulate the system(s). You can't assume that organized crime was involved with the Teamsters but not in other organizations in various ways. It just depends on what the underlying interests are an how they influence people in various organizations.
I have felt exploited by employers and political parties.
So have I. I feel I was exploited by buying into left-social ideologies that upon closer analysis did not really pursue the goals they were supposed to; and when I found that some Republican ideas were better suited to solving the social-problems, I found out people were biased against them just because they were associated with the demonized Republican party.
1. you've never been in a union or watched your grandfather die daily coughing up bits of his lungs just trying to make a living and if it weren't for the UMW, the corporate entity that made up my grand parents would have been put on public welfare by the US Steel Corporation who didn't give a **** about wages or condition or about the humans they ground into the dust.
I have known people that benefited from unions and people who have been hurt by them or ignored by them.
2. I've read about Lyndon LaRouche, attended LaRouche meetings and know/known a lot of LaRouchies already. You all are conspiracy nuts and double talking nutbags. Been there, done that and threw away the t-shirt on my way home.
Like I said, why don't you post a thread about it so we can learn more?