Further Discussion About Covid-19 and the Covid-19 Crisis 2020

You can't say that being against same-sex marriage or being against 'pride' is automatically the same thing as homophobia. It may be for many people, but the reality is that there are people who love their homosexual family members, but yet they still honor the narrow religious views about marriage. You may want religious people to change the definition of what's a sin rather than forgiving sin, but their freedom of religion allows them to base their definition of sin on their conscience, regardless of whether it may offend some people.

Homophobic discrimination can be addressed and dealt with in many ways, but punishing religious people into changing their view of sin is anti-liberty. You have to find a way to work around the fact that some people are going to find your morality immoral; e.g. by insisting that you shouldn't be discriminated against because of your personal religious views and/or your sexual identity.


I find it disingenuous when you post about homophobia in rejecting a plasma donation from someone who is gay without noting there could be legitimate reasons to do so that are only tangentially, if at all, related to the person's homosexuality.

E.g. if a heterosexual person goes to donate blood and they answer 'yes' to questions about whether they've had unprotected sex or shared needles, etc. they are going to be rejected for blood donation and it's not because of their heterosexuality.

So likewise, if a homosexual person is rejected for having unprotected sex and/or sharing needles, that is not because of their homosexuality.

Now you're going to argue that homophobia causes people to assume that homosexuals are more likely to have unprotected sex and/or engage in other risk behaviors than heterosexuals, especially married heterosexuals; and I would agree that that cultural bias is there and there are probably plenty of heterosexuals and married heterosexuals who are using their heterosexual status as camouflage to hide risk behaviors.

So your point basically just boils down to the fact that (married) heterosexuals trust each other more than they should, and you're right about that; but you're wrong that they should trust homosexuals or anyone else more because of their favoritism toward each other. If anything, they should just trust everyone as little as they do homosexuals, i.e. because it's better to err on the side of precaution than err on the side of trust and get burned.

Hi. As of the time of the posting of this April 2020 is almost over. I forgot about early voting in my hometown. I'm going to have to wait till November. I hope I didn't mess anything up by not voting this time around.

Is the U.S. government still working on impeaching Trump in light of what's going on with the Covid-19 crisis?

Who said anything about wanting to change anyone's religious views? It is a different thing entirely than wanting to discriminate against homosexuals based on your religious views and having religious views. In other words, no one has the right to force their views onto others. For instance, homosexuals have the right to marry, adopt children, and live where they want to no matter what religious views people might or might not have.



I take it you didn't read the article? Those issues were discussed and dealt with.

The impeachment was over when Donald Trump was impeached which has already happened. duh

I didn't know that. My TV has been down for months. I haven't been following the news that closely.

When did they actually impeach Trump?

People's religious views factor into their view of marriage and how they want it regulated. So, for example, you could argue that multiple-marriages should be allowed between more than two people at a time, but different people would have different views on that, and it's the same with same-sex marriage. Technically, you could even hold the view that people shouldn't be allowed to get married before a certain age, or more than once, etc. etc. People are entitled to hold their own views about what should and shouldn't be allowed as part of marriage.


No, I didn't read any article. I just responded to what you said in your post. I used to read a lot of articles like that, but the more it started to become clear how there are always certain political assumptions taken-for-granted in the writer's POV and thus the entire article ends up being propagandistic, I have become biased toward such articles.

The bottom line is we need to get back to a form of democracy where people recognize the POV that they disagree with. For Republicans, that means recognizing socialist POVs, authoritarian/structuralist POVs, collectivist POVs, etc. It doesn't mean they have to agree with them, but it means we have to recognize that there are people out there who reject liberty and individualism the same way we reject socialism; and we need to start understanding why these different POVs exist and figuring out how they can co-exist in the same democracy, if they can that is.

A phantom plague’: Evangelicals who defied social distancing guidelines are dying of coronavirus in frightening numbers

“Countless non-fundamentalist churches in the United States, from Catholic to Lutheran and Episcopalian, have embraced social distancing during the coronavirus pandemic and temporarily moved their activities online. But many Christian fundamentalists and evangelicals have been irresponsibly downplaying the dangers of COVID-19 and doing so with deadly results: journalist Alex Woodward, in the U.K.-based Independent, reports that the pandemic has claimed the lives of more than 30 pastors in the Bible Belt.

“Dozens of pastors across the Bible Belt have succumbed to coronavirus after churches and televangelists played down the pandemic and actively encouraged churchgoers to flout self-distancing guidelines,” Woodward reports. “As many as 30 church leaders from the nation’s largest African-American Pentecostal denomination have now been confirmed to have died in the outbreak, as members defied public health warnings to avoid large gatherings to prevent transmitting the virus.”…

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/a-phantom-plague-evangelicals-who-defied-social-distancing-guidelines-are-dying-of-coronavirus-in-frightening-numbers

Twenty first century rapturing?

Wow. You really do live under a rock, if you somehow missed that. I would have expected your pastor to talk about it in church.

Trump was impeached by the Democrat controlled House of Representatives but acquitted by the Republican controlled Senate in February 2020.
Because he was acquitted, Trump will not be removed from office.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Donald_Trump

It is true. I don't have to worry about paying rent for two months.

Shocked and happy for you. This is a governmental program?

It is a governmental decree.

I don’t consider Livinglava to be a Christian. Christianity is about concern for others, Ll is all about judging and scolding others.

We don't do "governmental decrees" in the US. What program, what government.

She may have missed or misunderstood the "judge yea not" part.

Actually much to my surprise, the Federal government has had since March 31 a program to pay one to three months rent.

Color me shocked and pleasantly surprised.

He was busy thinking about how to get printer ink.

As 'quarantine fatigue' spreads, Fauci says second wave of coronavirus is 'inevitable'

As antsy Americans show growing signs of “quarantine fatigue” and officials face pressure to ease coronavirus restrictions, factories, malls and state governments in many parts of the country are taking steps toward reopening.

But Anthony S. Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said a second wave of infections is “inevitable” in the United States, which has recorded more than 1 million confirmed cases — nearly one-third of the global total. Fauci also warned that “we could be in for a bad fall and a bad winter” if the right countermeasures aren’t put in place.

Here are some significant developments:

The U.S. economy shrank by 4.8 percent from January through March as it saw the worst slowdown in growth since the Great Recession.

Nearly half of the world’s workforce is at risk of losing their incomes as the pandemic continues to disrupt lives and economies around the globe, a U.N. agency warned.

Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe warned that holding the Tokyo Olympics in 2021 will be “impossible” if the pandemic is not contained.

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/live-updates-as-quarantine-fatigue-spreads-fauci-says-second-wave-of-coronavirus-is-inevitable/ar-BB13lEuR?li=BBnb7Kz

Not ‘a great moment in American leadership:’ Romney criticizes government response to coronavirus
Colby Itkowitz

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/not-a-great-moment-in-american-leadership-romney-criticizes-government-response-to-coronavirus/ar-BB13laSk

Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah) offered a critical assessment of the federal government’s readiness for the novel coronavirus, describing it as not a “great moment in American leadership.”


Romney mostly kept his criticisms broad, avoiding attacking President Trump directly, though he took a few swipes at the president’s management style during an event with Georgetown University students via video chat on Tuesday night.

“The speed of our response looked slow compared to other people. That first phase will not stand out as a great moment in American leadership,” Romney said, referring to the onset of the coronavirus outbreak, adding, “We didn’t look real strong, and that’s kind of an understatement.”



Romney’s hot-and-cold relationship with Trump turned scorching earlier this year when he voted for one of the two articles of impeachment against the president. Romney was the only Senate Republican left off the White House’s bipartisan task force on reopening the economy. Trump said it was because he held a grudge against Romney and didn’t “really want his advice.”

Before joining the Senate this year, Romney was the 2012 GOP presidential nominee, governor of Massachusetts, president of a private equity firm and ran the 2002 Utah Olympics — all jobs that taught him about crisis management, he said.

While Romney said explicitly, “I’m not blaming this administration,” he suggested ways he’d be doing things differently if it were him in the Oval Office, primarily coordinating resources and response through the federal government.

“It’s hard to say to all 50 governors, you guys all do your thing,” Romney said. “I think the federal coordination has been less than my personal style.”

Trump has largely left it up to states to figure out how and when to reopen their economies and has been resistant to the federal government taking the lead on acquiring the necessary testing capabilities.

Romney also seemed to criticize Trump’s advisers, saying he would be surrounding himself with “real experts in crisis management … people who have dealt with this more than I have.”

He added, “The key to leadership is recognizing you’re not the smartest guy in the room.”