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Bernie Sanders 2020

 
 
Lash
 
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Reply Tue 19 Nov, 2019 01:54 am
@Olivier5,
I agree. It’s bad.

It’s worse that we actively subvert the election process in other countries by overthrowing their duly elected governments when it suits us.

I will not abide the clanging hypocrisy on this subject.

For the United States to go on and on about some Russians retweeting pissed Americans in an effort to foment discord and emphasize negatives about one candidate and positives about another in the face of what WE do is just not passing me without a mention.
Lash
 
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Reply Tue 19 Nov, 2019 01:55 am
I thought Sanders was brave to stand up and call that what it is.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Tue 19 Nov, 2019 04:29 am
@Lash,
He is only being coherent... unlike some of his fair-weather supporters here.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Tue 19 Nov, 2019 04:33 am
@Lash,
Obama fucked up. He should have asked the NSA or whoever able to do so to counter attack the Russians. Or at the very least he should have informed the electorate about the Russian manipulations. Instead he let Putin off the hoock and the voters in the dark, confident that Clinton would win nevertheless.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 19 Nov, 2019 01:39 pm
Sanders campaign says it reached 4 million individual donations
headline from The Hill
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Tue 19 Nov, 2019 02:17 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

Bernie is quoted to say in the piece, “My pride and admiration for Israel lives alongside my support for Palestinian freedom and independence. I reject the notion that there is any contradiction there.”

And for some reason, you say the contradiction is in America’s oppression of native Americans. I hope you aren’t laying that at Bernie’s feet. And, if not, pray tell why did you mention it here??

I'm saying the contradiction is in Sanders' demand that the Palestinians accept a two state solution and give up their Right of Return while at the same time accepting native Americans' enfranchisement in the US. That's why I mention it here.

Lash wrote:
Then, you go on to say ‘progressives’ need to understand that Palestinians will never be satisfied without their freedom—which is what Bernie said.

I didn't say that the Palestinians will never be satisfied without their freedom. I said that the Palestinians will never give up their Right of Return, which is what a two state solution is predicated on.

Lash wrote:
It seems as though you paid scant attention to what the man said, just wanting to take on a windmill.

I paid close attention to what he said, as a matter of fact. Yours was lacking in what I said, however.
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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 19 Nov, 2019 04:23 pm
You made a couple of assumptions: Bernie didn’t make any ‘demands’ and he left the method of mutual freedom open.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Tue 19 Nov, 2019 05:32 pm
@Lash,
If they weren't demands, they certainly weren't about other options for the Palestinians other than renouncing their Right of Return for a two state solution. Where, exactly, did he leave the "method of mutual freedom" open?

jewishcurrents.org
How to Fight Antisemitism

November 11, 2019 Bernie Sanders

ON OCTOBER 27TH, we marked one year since the worst
antisemitic attack in our country’s history, when a white nationalist
walked into the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh and murdered
11 people and injured six others. The murderer acted on a twisted
belief that Jews were part of a nefarious plot to undermine white
America—a plot to assist in the “invasion” of the United States by a
caravan of migrants from Latin America. This vicious lie about an
“invasion” had been repeated endlessly in right-wing media, on Fox
News, across the internet, and, most disgracefully, by the president
of the United States.

Yes, President Donald Trump’s own words helped inspire the worst
act of antisemitic violence in American history.

The threat of antisemitism is not some abstract idea to me. It is very
personal. It destroyed a large part of my family. I am not someone
who spends a lot of time talking about my personal background
because I believe political leaders should focus their attention on a
vision and agenda for others, rather than themselves. But I also
appreciate that it’s important to talk about how our backgrounds
have informed our ideas, our principles, and our values.

I am a proud Jewish American. My father emigrated from Poland to
the United States in 1921 at the age of 17 to escape the poverty
and widespread antisemitism of his home country. Those in his
family who remained in Poland after Hitler came to power were
murdered by the Nazis. I know very well where white supremacist
politics leads, and what can happen when people do not speak up
against it.

Antisemitism is rising in this country. According to the FBI, hate
crimes against Jews rose by more than a third in 2017 and
accounted for 58% of all religion-based hate crimes in America. A
total of 938 hate crimes were committed against Jews in 2017, up
from 684 in 2016. The New York Police Department reported in
September that antisemitic hate crimes in New York City have risen
by more than 63% in 2019 and make up more than half of all
reported hate crimes. Just last week, on November 4th, we learned
that federal authorities had arrested a man in Colorado they believe
was involved in a plot to bomb one of the state’s oldest
synagogues.

This wave of violence is the result of a dangerous political ideology
that targets Jews and anyone who does not fit a narrow vision of a
whites-only America. We have to be clear that while antisemitism is
a threat to Jews everywhere, it is also a threat to democratic
governance itself. The antisemites who marched in Charlottesville
don’t just hate Jews. They hate the idea of multiracial democracy.
They hate the idea of political equality. They hate immigrants,
people of color, LGBTQ people, women, and anyone else who
stands in the way of a whites-only America. They accuse Jews of
coordinating a massive attack on white people worldwide, using
people of color and other marginalized groups to do their dirty
work.

This is the conspiracy theory that drove the Pittsburgh murderer—
that Jews are conspiring to bring immigrants into the country to
“replace” Americans. And it is important to understand that that is
what antisemitism is: a conspiracy theory that a secretly powerful
minority exercises control over society. Like other forms of bigotry
—racism, sexism, homophobia—antisemitism is used by the right
to divide people from one another and prevent us from fighting
together for a shared future of equality, peace, prosperity, and
environmental justice. So I want to say as clearly as I possibly can:
We will confront this hatred, do exactly the opposite of what Trump
is doing and embrace our differences to bring people together.

Opposing antisemitism is a core value of progressivism. So it’s very
troubling to me that we are also seeing accusations of antisemitism
used as a cynical political weapon against progressives. One of the
most dangerous things Trump has done is to divide Americans by
using false allegations of antisemitism, mostly regarding the US–
Israel relationship. We should be very clear that it is not antisemitic
to criticize the policies of the Israeli government.

I have a connection to Israel going back many years. In 1963, I
lived on a kibbutz near Haifa. It was there that I saw and
experienced for myself many of the progressive values upon which
Israel was founded. I think it is very important for everyone, but
particularly for progressives, to acknowledge the enormous
achievement of establishing a democratic homeland for the Jewish
people after centuries of displacement and persecution.

We must also be honest about this: The founding of Israel is
understood by another people in the land of Palestine as the cause
of their painful displacement. And just as Palestinians should
recognize the just claims of Israeli Jews, supporters of Israel must
understand why Palestinians view Israel’s creation as they do.
Acknowledging these realities does not “delegitimize” Israel any
more than acknowledging the sober facts of America’s own
founding delegitimizes the United States. It is a necessary step of
truth and reconciliation in order to address the inequalities that
continue to exist in our respective societies.

It is true that some criticism of Israel can cross the line into
antisemitism, especially when it denies the right of selfdetermination
to Jews, or when it plays into conspiracy theories
about outsized Jewish power. I will always call out antisemitism
when I see it. My ancestors would expect no less of me. As
president, I will strengthen both domestic and international efforts to
combat this hatred. I will direct the Justice Department to prioritize
the fight against white nationalist violence. I will not wait two years
to appoint a Special Envoy to Monitor and Combat Anti-Semitism,
as Trump did; I will appoint one immediately. I will also rejoin the
United Nations Human Rights Council, which Trump withdrew from.
The United States should not be sitting on the sidelines on these
important issues at the UN; we should be at the table helping to
shape an international human rights agenda that combats all forms
of bigotry and discrimination.

When I look at the Middle East, I see Israel as having the capacity
to contribute to peace and prosperity for the entire region, yet
unable to achieve this in part because of its unresolved conflict with
the Palestinians. And I see a Palestinian people yearning to make
their contribution—and with so much to offer—yet crushed
underneath a military occupation now over a half-century old,
creating a daily reality of pain, humiliation, and resentment.

Ending that occupation and enabling the Palestinians to have self-
determination in an independent, democratic, economically viable
state of their own is in the best interests of the United States, Israel,
the Palestinians, and the region. My pride and admiration for Israel
lives alongside my support for Palestinian freedom and
independence. I reject the notion that there is any contradiction
there. The forces fomenting antisemitism are the forces arrayed
against oppressed people around the world, including Palestinians;
the struggle against antisemitism is also the struggle for Palestinian
freedom. I stand in solidarity with my friends in Israel, in Palestine,
and around the world who are trying to resolve conflict, diminish
hatred, and promote dialogue, cooperation, and understanding.

We need this solidarity desperately now. All over the world—in
Russia, in India, in Brazil, in Hungary, in Israel, and elsewhere—we
see the rise of a divisive and destructive form of politics. We see
intolerant, authoritarian political leaders attacking the very
foundations of democratic societies. These leaders exploit people’s
fears by amplifying resentments, stoking intolerance and inciting
hatred against ethnic and religious minorities, fanning hostility
toward democratic norms and a free press, and promoting constant
paranoia about foreign plots. We see this very clearly in our own
country. It is coming from the highest level of our government. It is
coming from Donald Trump’s tweets, and from his own mouth.

As a people who have experienced oppression and persecution for
hundreds of years, we understand the danger. But we also have a
tradition that points the way forward. I am a proud member of the
tradition of Jewish social justice. And I am so inspired when I see
so many Jewish people picking up this banner, especially the
younger generation of Jews, who are helping to lead a revival of
progressive values in our country. They see the fight against
antisemitism and for Jewish liberation as connected to the fight for
the liberation of oppressed people around the world. They are part
of a broad coalition of activists from many different backgrounds
who believe very deeply, as I always have, that we are all in this
together.

Bernie Sanders is a United States senator from Vermont and a
candidate in the 2020 Democratic presidential primary.
Lash
 
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Reply Wed 20 Nov, 2019 05:43 am
@InfraBlue,
I’m glad he didn’t pigeon-hole or ‘demand’ a specific solution that hasn’t worked since its inception —he just stated his unwavering commitment to equality of freedom for both sides. What he’s not doing is what almost all Democrats and Republicans uniformly do, which is to hold Israel’s rights far above the occupied Palestinians’.

You seem to be trying to criticize Bernie Sanders for not solving peace in the Middle East in an essay.

Bernie Sanders is the undisputed champ of this issue, unless of course, you’re happy with the status quo.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 20 Nov, 2019 05:52 am
@InfraBlue,
Excellent text, thanks for posting.
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 20 Nov, 2019 06:06 am
Against all odds, it looks like the Bidens might be pulled into the impeachment hearings to answer questions about Hunter Biden’s surprise gas company career in Ukraine.
blatham
 
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Reply Wed 20 Nov, 2019 06:14 am
@Lash,
Says who?
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hightor
 
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Reply Wed 20 Nov, 2019 08:28 am
Sanders: 'Your $8.99 Netflix subscription is more than the company paid in federal income taxes'
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revelette3
 
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Reply Wed 20 Nov, 2019 08:50 am
@InfraBlue,
A very moving piece by Bernie Sanders. His heart is in the right place, but perhaps he does not really understand Palestine's Right of Return issue in the two state solution. I know I don't quite understand it. I find it hard to sympathize with the State of Israel at all I must confess; while at the same time, I sympathize and deplore anti-Semitism and violence against Jews or any other race or religious group based on those characteristics.

Quote:
We must also be honest about this: The founding of Israel is
understood by another people in the land of Palestine as the cause
of their painful displacement. And just as Palestinians should
recognize the just claims of Israeli Jews, supporters of Israel must
understand why Palestinians view Israel’s creation as they do.
Acknowledging these realities does not “delegitimize” Israel any
more than acknowledging the sober facts of America’s own
founding delegitimizes the United States. It is a necessary step of
truth and reconciliation in order to address the inequalities that
continue to exist in our respective societies.

It is true that some criticism of Israel can cross the line into
antisemitism, especially when it denies the right of selfdetermination
to Jews, o
r when it plays into conspiracy theories
about outsized Jewish power.


What exactly does he mean by self determination and how does it effect the issue of Right of Return? I am not sure he is saying exactly that Palestinians displaced from the now State of Israel cannot return. However, if those who were displaced can return, of necessity they will be taking back their lands which will affect the ones who live on that land now. Moreover, it will increase the size of non-Jews which most Israelis view as a natural threat to their self determination in the sense they will have more a voting block if they are allowed to vote in a free democracy. I can't see it happening in the real world. I see it as an endless circle of strife with the Palestinians getting the shaft at the end of it. When they created the nation of Israel they should have settled what would happen to those already living there at the same time. But should haves are a waste of time.
engineer
 
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Reply Wed 20 Nov, 2019 12:35 pm
New poll out of New Hampshire shows Sanders with less than 10% for the first time. That is not consistent with other polls earlier in the month, the sample size is small and the pollster is not a respected national organization, but what is consistent is the rise of Buttigieg. He was polling in single digits at the beginning of October, but his polls have been steadily trending higher. I don't think he is really ten points ahead of everyone, but I don't think he needs to be. A strong showing in New Hampshire is a must for Warren and Sanders, not so much for Buttigieg, especially if he wins Iowa.
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hightor
 
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Reply Wed 20 Nov, 2019 12:50 pm
@InfraBlue,
Sanders should make sure that Corbyn gets a copy of this.
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Brand X
 
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Reply Wed 20 Nov, 2019 01:04 pm
Pete will be the new target in next debate.
engineer
 
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Reply Wed 20 Nov, 2019 01:07 pm
@Brand X,
Oh yes he will. I'm not sure that Warren and Sanders have any traction against him though. He's not out there with specific proposals that they can dig into and while that can be a negative, it is a slippery negative.
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 20 Nov, 2019 02:56 pm
@revelette3,
I’m sure you can teach Bernie a thing or two about Israel/ Palestine.
JFC.
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 20 Nov, 2019 03:07 pm
@Brand X,
It might be a jostling of Establishment Ds and Bernie, fighting it out about the wings of the party.
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