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Bernie Sanders 2020

 
 
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 21 Nov, 2019 12:26 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
The Palestinians and the Israelis both reject peace based on their rejection of the other's conditions.

Refusing to accept their own destruction does not mean that Israel rejects peace.

Insisting on Israel's destruction does mean that the Palestinians reject peace.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Thu 21 Nov, 2019 02:15 pm
@oralloy,
It is precisely those terms that prevent the Zionists from owning their obligations to the Palestinians and accepting peace therefrom.
blatham
 
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Reply Thu 21 Nov, 2019 05:07 pm
Netanyahu indicted for corruption.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 21 Nov, 2019 05:52 pm
@InfraBlue,
Israel has no such obligation to allow Palestinians to flood into Israel and destroy it.
Lash
 
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Reply Sat 23 Nov, 2019 02:04 pm
Yet Another Bernie Broad 🌹🐦 and Mom 🌹 Policy over personality #Bernie2020 liked

Vert DuFerk🔥🌹✌️😁❤️🇺🇸
@VertDuFerk
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4m
Exactly this. Her entire campaign is astroturfing bullshit. When has she ever marched in protest, or shown up to a picket line (when a campaign wasn't in progress or starting soon)?

Talk is cheap. You either have the history of activism, or you don't. Bernie does. She doesn't.

🔥BERNforBernie2020🔥
@BernForBernie20
· 5h
Replying to @ryangrim and @ewarren
Elizabeth Warren: GOP, corp. attorney and Harvard law professor until 2012.

Her campaign theme is consultant-packaged fiction.

She had not even walked a picket line until this year but she's all of a sudden an expert on labor and movement building? lmao.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sat 23 Nov, 2019 04:47 pm
@oralloy,
Israel has the obligation to grant the Palestinians their Right of Return through various international resolutions and treaties. That it would destroy the Zionists' oppressively ethnocentric state would be a benefit to all of the peoples in Palestine.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 23 Nov, 2019 05:43 pm
@InfraBlue,
No treaty requires such a thing, and no Security Council resolution requires such a thing.

Israel is not going to consent to let the Palestinians destroy them.

The United States is not going to stop supporting Israel.

Palestinians in Area B should just give up and move to Gaza. They have no future in Area B.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sat 23 Nov, 2019 10:12 pm
@oralloy,
Your first and last assertions are incorrect.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 24 Nov, 2019 06:19 am
@InfraBlue,
That is incorrect. There are no treaties and no Security Council resolutions that require Israel to allow Palestinians to come flooding into their country in any "right of return".

My last line was advice, not an assertion. Since Israel is not going to hand any more land over to Palestinian control, and is not going to allow foreign Palestinians to participate in Israeli democracy, the only thing in store for Palestinians who stay in Area B is misery and deprivation. But if they move to Gaza they can become part of a future Gazan state.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sun 24 Nov, 2019 05:09 pm
@oralloy,
Your first assertion is incorrect.

Your second paragraph is an assertion that's incorrect, as well.
livinglava
 
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Reply Mon 25 Nov, 2019 09:05 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
the only thing in store for Palestinians who stay in Area B is misery and deprivation.

Why couldn't they develop some kind of farming plan and get development help to achieve it?
hightor
 
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Reply Mon 25 Nov, 2019 09:53 am
@livinglava,
Good luck getting the Israelis to release the water necessary for successful agriculture.
oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 25 Nov, 2019 10:11 am
@hightor,
I'm not sure that olive trees require much water.

But yes. Palestinians are not welcome in the West Bank. They should pack up and move to Gaza instead of trying to stay where they are not welcome.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 25 Nov, 2019 10:13 am
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
Your first assertion is incorrect.

That is incorrect. There are no treaties and no Security Council resolutions that ask Israel to allow Palestinians to come flooding into their country in any right of return.


InfraBlue wrote:
Your second paragraph is an assertion that's incorrect, as well.

That is incorrect. My second paragraph is advice, not an assertion.
livinglava
 
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Reply Mon 25 Nov, 2019 10:15 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Good luck getting the Israelis to release the water necessary for successful agriculture.

I guess what this really comes down to is a more universal problem of people not trusting others who attack them enough to support their population health.

You have to have security to support hostile populations; e.g. if people were constantly escaping from prison and attacking you, you wouldn't continue to support the prisons that were allowing the escapes, would you?

I guess that just brings us back to the perennial problem of how to achieve peace where there is no hope for doing so.
oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 25 Nov, 2019 10:21 am
@livinglava,
I'm not sure that it is really a matter of trust. It's more that, since the Palestinians reject peace, Israel gets to keep Area B for themselves, so Palestinians in Area B need to leave and go somewhere else.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 25 Nov, 2019 10:22 am
@livinglava,
livinglava wrote:
Why couldn't they develop some kind of farming plan and get development help to achieve it?

They already have a farming plan, and it has succeeded for thousands of years without needing any development help.

What Area B Palestinians don't have is the political independence that is enjoyed by the Palestinians in Gaza and Area A (although Area B Palestinians do have autonomy). This is because Area B Palestinians are living on the territory of a nation that they are not citizens of, and which does not welcome their presence.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Mon 25 Nov, 2019 10:23 am
@livinglava,
It isn't only about agriculture. It's about living space and the expansion of cities and towns which under Israel policy is impossible.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Mon 25 Nov, 2019 10:24 am
@oralloy,
Wrong on both counts.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Mon 25 Nov, 2019 10:25 am
@livinglava,
Why are these populations hostile?
 

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