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Bernie Sanders 2020

 
 
Lash
 
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Reply Sat 12 Oct, 2019 08:11 am
@Olivier5,
I disagreed with Bernie supporting Clinton.
So? I’ve never agreed with everything a political candidate said. That seems nuts to me.

I don’t trust people who defend every single thing a political candidate says and does.

I have agreed with Bernie more than any other public figure.

You say I should agree with every word that comes out of the man’s mouth?

That’s cultish—like Blatham and the Clintons.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 12 Oct, 2019 08:53 am
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 12 Oct, 2019 08:54 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Quote:
the corporate media's consistently negative portrayal of Sanders and his 2020 presidential campaign
Sorry, but I read a lot of media every day and this claim, though often repeated by Sanders' supporters, does not match my experience at all.

Blinders on skewed vision.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 12 Oct, 2019 09:00 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

I suspect that a candidate who is 95 years of age would trouble you regardless of any other positive factor. Age/health are relevant. And if Warren or Biden had just had a heart attack, you'd likely mention that fact.

Is there a candidate of that age even considering running? Did I ever suggest a candidate of that age even could be a contender? As for Biden and Warren, she seems in reasonably good health, but is older than persons I have known that dropped dead unexpectedly. Biden I have before mentioned, because I think both physical and mental deficiencies will stop him long before they stop Sanders.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 12 Oct, 2019 09:26 am
When it was posted that being president takes a toll on a person, I posted about how after taking that toll Jimmy Carter went on for many years and is still being active and productive. Suggesting that the toll he took did not end his life. Why anyone would think I was advocating 90+ age persons to run is beyond me.
blatham
 
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Reply Sat 12 Oct, 2019 11:40 am
@edgarblythe,
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Is there a candidate of that age even considering running?
Just underlining the point that age, as Carter suggested, is clearly relevant.
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Biden I have before mentioned, because I think both physical and mental deficiencies will stop him long before they stop Sanders.
You're guessing. Three weeks ago, you may well have guessed that Biden would have a heart attack before Bernie.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 12 Oct, 2019 11:43 am
@edgarblythe,
Again, you missed the point. As to Carter, it doesn't do to ignore what he himself has said about age and the presidency.

As I've said earlier and as several political writers I've posted here have expressed, we don't think this rules Bernie out. But it is quite appropriate for others to express different notions as it really is something like a borderline case. More so five years up the road.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 15 Oct, 2019 10:01 pm
@blatham,
I didn't miss the point. I said individuals differ. Sanders is the only progressive in the race. We can't afford the luxury of waiting for somebody else to step in, for there are none of his stature available. That means that if he only serves four years he will need to groom somebody to run in 2024.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 15 Oct, 2019 10:03 pm
New York Times headline

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Ilhan Omar to Endorse Bernie Sanders

I was becoming pessimistic about these two. They appear somewhat subdued, these days. But they made the right decision after all.
roger
 
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Reply Tue 15 Oct, 2019 10:34 pm
@edgarblythe,
That may win him some votes. It might cost him some other votes.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 15 Oct, 2019 10:55 pm
@roger,
It wins the ones I am most interested in.
roger
 
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Reply Tue 15 Oct, 2019 11:06 pm
@edgarblythe,
I never doubted that.
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 16 Oct, 2019 02:34 am
It’s a rare, wonderful moment for Bernie voters. It looks like relentless support of our candidate may be finally forcing the MSM to start telling the truth a little more often. Van Jones’ comments on CNN were surprisingly refreshing after such a long time of hearing nothing but negative...or nothing at all.

Bernie had a great debate. We raised $650K for him during the debate—40K of us. He spoke straightforwardly — told the truth about the cost of #MedicareForAll while Liz very clearly refused to be honest.

Our progressive family is circling the wagons around our only leader: endorsements are in from the squad. I cannot wait to see them on the campaign trail. Young Muslims, campaigning for an old Jewish man...

Our plans will stop the bleeding, heal the wound, and make us proud of who we are again. Bernie will do miraculous things with that bully pulpit.

It’s happening.

#Bernie2020
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 16 Oct, 2019 02:37 am
@roger,
Trump will play this note hard. But that one note will become a hated, brittle tone that will begin to define him and those in the room with him.

It will backfire. I do think he’ll get some initial mileage with his core ignorant racists, though.
Lash
 
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Reply Wed 16 Oct, 2019 03:20 am
@Lash,
I was thinking about this battle shaping up and it went all biblical on me. This really is shaping up to be a fight between good and evil.

The foundation of the Bernie campaign is healing all divisions, notable the institutional, founding racism against blacks but also with Muslims, that gained strength right after 911.

It seeks to find a more humane answer to immigration.
It is dedicated to responding intelligently to what’s happening to our world.
It is dedicated to making people accountable for what they do.
It is hellbent on making sure people can get care when they need it.
It opens doors to education rather than closes them.
It acknowledges our infrastructure has been pushed off the priority list far too long and we’re writing it back on.
It will blot out the disgusting changes made to businesses that catapult the bulk of the money to the very few at the very top of the corporate ladder and be more fair to more people at the lower levels of working life.

Bernie’s policies are about everything humane and responsible. Good luck with that, Monsanto.

Bernie Sanders’ campaign is bringing back sanity to this country.

I’m so thrilled to see that it is possible to return this flaming shitstain back into something to be proud of.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 16 Oct, 2019 06:19 am
Ilhan Omar
@IlhanMN
Proud to endorse
@SenSanders
for President, glad that
@AOC
and
@RashidaTlaib
are on board too. It’s time
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 16 Oct, 2019 06:27 am
@Lash,






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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 16 Oct, 2019 12:33 pm
During the Democratic debates tonight, Bernie Sanders was asked about his health and how we can trust that he’s in good health to run for President. He invited everyone to watch his New York rally this weekend and find out. Here are all the details about his upcoming rally.
https://heavy.com/news/2019/10/bernie-sanders-new-york-rally/
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Banana Breath
 
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Reply Wed 16 Oct, 2019 03:15 pm
@Baldimo,
I agree that Bernie is out of the race, but I don't think that is actually a change; I believe he has always been a gadfly, trying to alter the course of politics without being at the center of it.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 16 Oct, 2019 04:48 pm
BERN NOTICE: Biden Helped the GOP Pass "Disastrous" Policies
https://bernie.substack.com
As Bernie said today, his indictment during the debate illustrates "the difference between myself and Joe Biden.”
Oct 16 at 4:17 pm
Public post
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Last night, Bernie skewered Joe Biden in one of the most important moments of the debate — a moment that, as Bernie today said, explicitly illustrates “the difference between myself and Joe Biden.”

Biden began by trying to explain his record to Senator Elizabeth Warren, declaring “I'm the only one on this stage that has gotten anything really big done.” That’s when Bernie reminded Biden that it was true that Biden worked with right-wing Republicans to get big things done — big things that were some of the worst public policy disasters in modern American history. Watch the entire exchange here.

BERNIE TO BIDEN: “You got the disastrous war in Iraq done”

This was a reminder that Biden didn’t merely cast a vote to help George Bush and Dick Cheney launch a disastrous war based on lies, Biden served as the Senate Foreign Relations Committee chairman who promoted the WMD lies as he shepherded the Iraq War legislation through the U.S. Senate and to Bush’s desk.


BERNIE TO BIDEN: “You got a bankruptcy bill, which is hurting middle-class families”

This was a reminder that Biden was one of a handful of Democrats who helped the GOP and credit card companies ram legislation through Congress that made it far harder for Americans to reduce their debts. According to campaign finance data, Biden’s second largest career Senate campaign contributor were donors from MBNA — which was then one of the world’s largest credit card companies.

During the debate over Biden’s bankruptcy bill, Biden split with then-Senator Barack Obama to become one of only 3 Democrats who voted against an amendment to prevent medical debtors from facing some of the most extreme parts of the bill. The specifics of the bill were disastrous:

• Biden’s bill specifically made it more difficult to reduce medical debts.

• Biden’s bill exacerbated the foreclosure crisis, according to a study by Federal Reserve and academic researchers.

• Biden’s bill made it nearly impossible for Americans to reduce their student debts — a point that Biden’s campaign surrogates desperately tried to downplay in the post-debate spin room.


BERNIE TO BIDEN: “You got trade agreements, like NAFTA and PNTR, with China done, which have cost us 4 million jobs”

In an election that could pivot on Midwest states that have seen big trade-related job losses, this line from Bernie was a reminder that Biden helped congressional Republicans crush Democratic opposition and pass lobbyist-written trade agreements like NAFTA and China PNTR — even as unions, environmental and consumer groups fought these deals. The Economic Policy Institute reports that “the growing trade deficit with China has led to a loss of 3.4 million U.S. jobs” and a separate EPI report found that 20 years after NAFTA passed “trade deficits with Mexico had eliminated 682,900 good U.S. jobs.”

Bern after reading,

Sirota
 

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