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If Jesus is God, how is he called God's only begotten son?

 
 
worldtraveler24
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jun, 2014 01:33 pm
@neologist,
No, I am not a Mormon.
I am a ONE GOD, Apostolic believer in the divinity of Jesus Christ as the visible expression of the invisible GOD. I am convinced that Jesus is GOD and that the Holy Spirit is the same Spirit of the Eternal Father and the Spirit that dwelled in the body of Jesus Christ.

To answer your question, I don't see any Biblical support for the Mormon beliefs--that is why they have the Book of Mormon--because the Bible does not support their un- Biblical doctrine.
worldtraveler24
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jun, 2014 01:36 pm
@worldtraveler24,
In my original response, I quoted directly from the webpage of the Mormons.
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jun, 2014 02:21 pm
I know an ex-Mormon, he said in their temple they had two books laying on the front table, the Book of Mormon and the Bible.
The Book of Mormon was ON TOP of the Bible, I don't know if that was just accidental or whether it had some symbolic meaning..

PS- two young male Mormons stopped me in Plymouth (England) city centre a few years ago.
"Excuse me sir, what do you know about the Lord Jesus Christ?" asked one of them.
"I think I heard somewhere that he's the son of God?" I answered.
"Yes sir, that's exactly right" they said beaming big smiles, "would you like to come and discuss it some more with us in a cafe up the road?"


But I had to get to the computer shop before it closed, so I declined their kind offer.
Now if they'd been FEMALE Mormons I daresay I might have gone along with them..Wink

Same thing with JW's, I accidentally let several of them into my apartment block thinking they were the meter reader, and when I heard their footsteps coming up the communal stairwell I called down -"Hello, are you from Npower?"
A man's voice replied - "No, we're Jehovah's Witnesses", so I slunk back into my flat and quietly locked the door, and they u-turned and vanished.
Now if it'd been a sweet feminine voice, I'd probably be a JW by now..Wink
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Squeakybro
 
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Reply Sun 2 Nov, 2014 05:34 am
JESUS CHRIST THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD
JESUS IS NOT THE WORD OF GOD-JESUS IS NOT GOD

II Jn 1:3
3 Grace, mercy, and peace will be with you from God the Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.
Acts 2:36-39
36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ."
37 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?"
38 Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
39 "For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call."
Rev 1:5-6
5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood,
6 and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.
John 1:18
18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.
1 Tim 2:5
5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,
John 1:18
18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.
Col 1:15
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Eph 4:4-6
4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling;
5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism;
6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
I Jn 5:5
5 Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?
1 Cor 8:6
6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.
Rev 3:14
14 "And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write, 'These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God:
Acts 2:22
22 "Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know--
2 Cor 5:19
19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
Joh 1:12-13
12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
John 6:46-48
46 "Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father.
47 "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.
Matt 3:16-17
16 When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him.
17 And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."
John 3:16
16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
John 3:18
18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 1:18
18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.
I Jn 4:9
9 In this the love of God was manifested toward us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through Him.
48 "I am the bread of life.
2 Cor 5:18-19
18 Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation,
19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
John 3:13
13 "No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.
John 5:37-40
37 "And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form.
38 "But you do not have His word abiding in you, because whom He sent, Him you do not believe.
39 "You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me.
40 "But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.
Heb 1:1-3
1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets,
2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;
3 who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
Heb 1:5-6
5 For to which of the angels did He ever say: "You are My Son, today I have begotten You"? And again: "I will be to Him a Father, and He shall be to Me a Son"?
6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: "Let all the angels of God worship Him."
John 5:22-23
22 "For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son,
23 "that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.
24 "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
I Jn 4:15
15 Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.
I Jn 4:2-3
2 By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God,
3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.
I Jn 4:4-6
4 You are of God, little children, and have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.
5 They are of the world. Therefore they speak as of the world, and the world hears them.
6 We are of God. He who knows God hears us; he who is not of God does not hear us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.
John 3:34-36
34 "For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God does not give the Spirit by measure.
35 "The Father loves the Son, and has given all things into His hand.
36 "He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."
John 3:33
33 "He who has received His testimony has certified that God is true.
John 10:37-38
37 "If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me;
38 "but if I do, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, that you may know and believe that the Father is in Me, and I in Him."
Phil 2:5-11
5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus,
6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,
7 but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.
8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.
9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name,
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth,
11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Gal 6:7-8
7 Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap.
8 For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.
John 4:23-24
23 "But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him.
24 "God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."
I Jn 2:22-23
22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.
23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
Matt 10:33-34
33 "But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven.
34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword.
Matt 11:27
27 "All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.
John 20:17
17 Jesus said to her, "Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, 'I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.'"
1 Cor 8:4-6
4 Therefore concerning the eating of things offered to idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is no other God but one.
5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords),
6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.
John 8:36
36 "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.
II Jn 1:9-11
9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;
11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.
James 1:13
13 Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone
Heb 4:14-15
14 Seeing then that we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession.
15 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.
(NKJ)
XXX We can see that God cannot be tempted, and we can see that Jesus was tempted the same as we are. The revelation I received here shows me that God was in Christ. So we have one body with two Spirits in it. Is this possible, yes because your spirit is in your body along with the Holy Spirit along with unclean spirits along even the devil. So it is no great feat to recognize that God was in Jesus' body along with Jesus' Spirit along with the Holy Spirit. We can also see from the revelation that we as a people have never heard Gods voice nor seen His form. But we as a people seen Jesus and heard His voice. Now if the only way to the Father is through Jesus, and we cant get there any other way. Then we want to be sure we have the right Jesus to follow. But If Jesus is God as some confess, then the Jesus the bible talks about didnt exsist. And if the Jesus the bible talks about doesnt exsist, we cant get to the Father. And we also know that the Holy Spirit isnt God, because we are suppose to hear and learn from the Holy Spirit, but yet we have never heard Gods voice nor seen His form. And we can see that Jesus is not the Holy Spirit because Jesus said that we couldnt receive the Holy Spirit until He(Jesus) left and went to heaven. And in John we can see why Jesus prayed to God that we the people become one with them in the same way that they are one.
You should take special notice at Rev 3 where Jesus says He was created. And also Col 1-15 And being created means He isnt God, because God does all the creating.

Col 1:15
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
(NKJ)



The KJV was taken from all these versions. The 1611 KJV was the one who added "He" in place of "IT". The He was added to give the Word authority. God is neither male nor female and we call Him a "He". The Holy Spirit is neither male nor female and we call Him a "He". He is a Spiritual title of authority. And the KJV wanted to give the Word(verses) the same title of authority.

Tyndale 1534:
Joh 1:1 In the beginnynge was the worde and the worde was with God: and the worde was God. 2 The same was in the beginnynge with God. 3 All thinges were made by it and with out it was made nothinge that was made. 4 In it was lyfe and the lyfe was ye lyght of men

Bishops 1568:
Joh 1:1 In the begynnyng was the worde, & the worde was with God: and that worde was God. 2 The same was in the begynnyng with God. 3 All thynges were made by it: and without it, was made nothyng that was made. 4 In it was lyfe, and the lyfe was the lyght of men,

Geneva 1587:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was that Word, and that Word was with God, and that Word was God. 2 This same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by it, and without it was made nothing that was made. 4 In it was life, and that life was the light of men.

And now our modern Concordant Literal Version:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the word, and the word was toward God, and God was the word. " 2 This was in the beginning toward God. 3 All came into being through it, and apart from it not even one thing came into being which has come into being." 4 In it was life, and the life was the light of men."


GO TO GOD IS THE FATHER
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Squeakybro
 
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Reply Sun 2 Nov, 2014 09:18 am
THERE IS ONE GOD, THE FATHER.
Gen 1:1
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Gen 2:1-4
1 Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished.
2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done.
3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.
4 This is the history of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
Gen 3:9-11
9 Then the LORD God called to Adam and said to him, "Where are you?"
10 So he said, "I heard Your voice in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; and I hid myself."
11 And He said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded you that you should not eat?"
Gen 3:22-24
22 Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever"--
23 therefore the LORD God sent him out of the garden of Eden to till the ground from which he was taken.
24 So He drove out the man; and He placed cherubim at the east of the garden of Eden, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life.
Exod 33:20-23
20 But He said, "You cannot see My face; for no man shall see Me, and live."
21 And the LORD said, "Here is a place by Me, and you shall stand on the rock.
22 "So it shall be, while My glory passes by, that I will put you in the cleft of the rock, and will cover you with My hand while I pass by.
23 "Then I will take away My hand, and you shall see My back; but My face shall not be seen."
ONE GOD THE FATHER-ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST,GODS SON

John 17:3
3 "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
1 Cor 8:5-6
5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords),
6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.
Mark 12:32
32 So the scribe said to Him, "Well said, Teacher. You have spoken the truth, for there is one God, and there is no other but He.
Rom 3:30
30 since there is one God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith.
Eph 4:4-6
4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling;
5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism;
6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
1 Tim 2:5-6
5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,
6 who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time,
Heb 1:1-6
1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets,
2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;
3 who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
4 having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
5 For to which of the angels did He ever say: "You are My Son, today I have begotten You"? And again: "I will be to Him a Father, and He shall be to Me a Son"?
6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: "Let all the angels of God worship Him."
John 6:46
46 "Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father.
John 1:18
18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.
John 5:37-40
37 "And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form.
38 "But you do not have His word abiding in you, because whom He sent, Him you do not believe.
39 "You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me.
40 "But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.
John 6:47-51
47 "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.
48 "I am the bread of life.
49 "Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
50 "This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die.
51 "I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world."
John 1:51
51 And He said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, hereafter you shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of Man."
John 20:17
17 Jesus said to her, "Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, 'I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.'"
James 2:19-20
19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe-- and tremble!
20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?
Eph 4:4-6
4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling;
5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism;
6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
1 Tim 2:5
5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,
Gal 3:20
20 Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.
I Jn 2:1-4
1 My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.
2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.
3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.
4 He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1 Cor 8:4-7
4 Therefore concerning the eating of things offered to idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is no other God but one.
5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords),
6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.
1 Cor 3:11
11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
Acts 4:12
12 "Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."

XxxThere is One God, the Father. The bible says there is One God, the Father. It doesnt say one God, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. It doesnt say God the Son. It doesnt say God the Holy Spirit. What it says is there is One God, the Father. The Father is the only God.


Matt 23:8-10
8 "But you, do not be called 'Rabbi'; for One is your Teacher, the Christ, and you are all brethren.
9 "Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.
10 "And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ.
(NKJ)



neologist
 
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Reply Mon 14 Sep, 2015 12:52 pm
@Squeakybro,
All of the scriptures you cited are inpired. But many of them do not relate directly to the trinity.
For examlple:
How does John 6:47-51 apply?
I certainly know the trinity to be a God dishonoring false doctrine.
Posting a bible avalanche does nothing to make the case
Joe Sixpack
 
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Reply Mon 14 Sep, 2015 02:31 pm
@neologist,
Ha. Ha. Neo.
You spelled a word wrong.
Nyahh!
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Mon 14 Sep, 2015 03:49 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:
All of the scriptures you cited are inpired. But many of them do not relate directly to the trinity.

Like the story of the flight to Pella supposedly confirming a prophesy in Matthew 24:15-16, the scriptures do not relate directly to your beliefs.
neologist
 
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Reply Mon 14 Sep, 2015 04:38 pm
@InfraBlue,
I take it you are a Trinitarian. Good for you.
You are in an exceptional class.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Mon 14 Sep, 2015 04:47 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

I take it you are a Trinitarian. Good for you.
You are in an exceptional class.

I'm not a Trinitarian, and all you have is an ad hominem red herring to avoid the issue.

Jehovah must certainly be proud of you.
neologist
 
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Reply Mon 14 Sep, 2015 04:48 pm
@InfraBlue,
Please, then, uncover the red herring.
neologist
 
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Reply Mon 14 Sep, 2015 05:05 pm
@InfraBlue,
This thread, after all, has been about the trinity. If you were not satisfied with my conclusions about the Christian abandonment of Jerusalem, you can go back to that thread and hammer it. If you wish to correct my comment to
Squeaky, I will be happy to read it. Or duke it out here.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Mon 14 Sep, 2015 11:58 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

Please, then, uncover the red herring.

The red herring is your accusation that I'm a Trinitarian without having replied to the point I made in regard to your doctrine of a supposed Jesus prophecy concerning the Flight to Pella story being extra-biblical like the doctrine of Trinitarianism.
neologist
 
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Reply Tue 15 Sep, 2015 12:19 am
@InfraBlue,
neologist wrote:
Please, then, uncover the red herring.
InfraBlue wrote:
The red herring is your accusation that I'm a Trinitarian without having replied to the point I made in regard to your doctrine of a supposed Jesus prophecy concerning the Flight to Pella story being extra-biblical like the doctrine of Trinitarianism.
I thought I had replied to that here. But since you answered with silence, I let it drop.

BTW, I am somewhat amused you thought I was 'accusing' you of being a trinitarian. But I did finally elicit a direct response.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Tue 15 Sep, 2015 09:30 am
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

neologist wrote:
Please, then, uncover the red herring.
InfraBlue wrote:
The red herring is your accusation that I'm a Trinitarian without having replied to the point I made in regard to your doctrine of a supposed Jesus prophecy concerning the Flight to Pella story being extra-biblical like the doctrine of Trinitarianism.
I thought I had replied to that here. But since you answered with silence, I let it drop.

BTW, I am somewhat amused you thought I was 'accusing' you of being a trinitarian. But I did finally elicit a direct response.

The point, again, is that your exegesis is extra-biblical.
neologist
 
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Reply Tue 15 Sep, 2015 09:46 am
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
The point, again, is that your exegesis is extra-biblical.
And that is important, because?
InfraBlue
 
  1  
Reply Tue 15 Sep, 2015 10:53 am
@neologist,
It's important because you criticize other dogmas for being extra-biblical, e.g. Trinitarianism. You're being hypocritical.
neologist
 
  1  
Reply Tue 15 Sep, 2015 11:16 am
@InfraBlue,
The trinity may be refuted by the Bible.

While one may dispute whether the Jerusalem Christians actually applied Jesus' words, the historical record makes sense. There certainly was a mass exodus from Jerusalem after the Roman retreat. That lasted only until the zealots returned and made escape possible. Eusebius records a settlement to Pella. Willing to consider evidence to refute.
InfraBlue
 
  1  
Reply Tue 15 Sep, 2015 03:08 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:
The trinity may be refuted by the Bible.

Trinitarians also verify their belief by the Bible using many of the same verses that the refuters cite.

neologist wrote:
While one may dispute whether the Jerusalem Christians actually applied Jesus' words, the historical record makes sense. There certainly was a mass exodus from Jerusalem after the Roman retreat. That lasted only until the zealots returned and made escape possible. Eusebius records a settlement to Pella. Willing to consider evidence to refute.

The historicity of the "Flight to Pella" story is itself disputable, let alone the claim that "Jesus predicted it," and Eusebius and Epiphanius' connections are postdiction assertions based on a suspect account.
neologist
 
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Reply Tue 15 Sep, 2015 04:09 pm
@InfraBlue,
Offer contrary arguments rather than simply saying they are possible.
 

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